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Sinéad O'Connor

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MassiveWordSalad · 27/07/2023 10:40

May she rest in peace. She was an amazing woman.

I know there are other threads about her sad passing, but I was just listening to 'Black Boys on Mopeds' and this lyric jumped out at me. The song was released in 1990, but how apt it is now:

"These are dangerous days
To say what you feel is to dig your own grave"

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MassiveWordSalad · 30/07/2024 10:34

Rest in power Sinéad

Sinéad O'Connor
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Abhannmor · 29/07/2024 19:17

It is sad but a relief that she died of natural causes. Some of her last tweets were a bit bleak so I did wonder if it was suicide. Too young though. ♥

IwantToRetire · 28/07/2024 18:09

Not posting in a morbid way, but because I remembered doubts about the "natural causes".

... the death certificate for O’Connor – which was registered by her ex-husband John Reynolds in Lambeth, London, on Wednesday (24 July) – has revealed the exact cause to be chronic obstructive pulmonary disease (COPD) and asthma.

The death certificate states that the musician had also been suffering from “a lower-grade respiratory tract infection”.

Sinéad O’Connor’s exact cause of death revealed one year after death (yahoo.com)

It's just a year since she died.

Sinéad O’Connor’s exact cause of death revealed one year after death

Irish singer’s death certificate was formally registered by her former husband in Lambeth, London

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/sin-ad-o-connor-exact-154531246.html

IwantToRetire · 10/01/2024 19:04

Funny thing is I never assumed it was suicide, but somehow thought (but I think because over the years the media misrepresented her) that her lifestyle and events had taken a toll on her health.

I cant rmember the details and whether she was sectioned or voluntary entered a mental health institution, and rightly or wrongly I assume that the drugs dealt out there can erode health.

And as said up thread, sadly many people at that age do sucumb to a health issue they were probably never aware they had.

But yes I did post hews because earlier posts on here had implied that most thought it was suicide.

We are lucky that we still have her music to listen to.

paisley256 · 10/01/2024 16:21

Thanks for explaining that, it makes alot of sense.

hihelenhi · 10/01/2024 16:20

RoyalCorgi · 10/01/2024 15:51

I find the phrase "natural causes" very odd - what natural causes? She was relatively young.

But yes, I think we all assumed that she had taken her own life.

"Natural causes" can be literally anything disease-related, like strokes, heart attacks, pulmonary embolisms... all of which can and do sadly affect people in their 50s, including women. It means "did not die of suicide, violence or accident", or anything external. (have edited slightly to clarify further). But you're right, I think most of us assumed, which is why, I guess, it has been put out there.

paisley256 · 10/01/2024 16:16

Yeah I must say I don't really understand that phrase when it's a woman of her age. Hope someone can explain as I've been confused since I saw this on the news. Thanks

RoyalCorgi · 10/01/2024 15:51

I find the phrase "natural causes" very odd - what natural causes? She was relatively young.

But yes, I think we all assumed that she had taken her own life.

ActualWordSalad · 10/01/2024 08:55

Thanks for posting this, I saw the news and was strangely relieved - she was gone way too young, and lived through some awful stuff, but at least she didn't take her own life. I hope that makes some sense and doesn't offend.

IwantToRetire · 10/01/2024 01:12

Just adding this because some did wonder why she died so young.

"This is to confirm that Ms O'Connor died of natural causes," a statement from Southwark Coroner's Court on Tuesday said.

"The coroner has therefore ceased their involvement in her death," the statement added.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-67926255

Sinead O'Connor

Sinéad O'Connor died of natural causes, coroner rules

Irish singer died last July at her home in south London aged 56.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-67926255

stealtheatingtunnocks · 30/08/2023 17:27

That’s true, @IwantToRetire. I’m making an assumption.

IwantToRetire · 30/08/2023 15:55

It’s so sad that she couldn’t bear her burdens

There has been no announcement of the cause of death, ie it could have been natural causes.

And as one who admires her in many ways, the only think I thought was sad was when she said the death of her son meant she didn't want to go on living. What did that say to her other children?

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 30/08/2023 09:25

Missed this thread first time round. I do not want what I haven’t got is a work of genius from start to finish. I often listen to songs from it, especially the emperors new clothes

she was so talented. Such a loss

stealtheatingtunnocks · 30/08/2023 09:17

Such dignity.

It’s so sad that she couldn’t bear her burdens, what a bundle of tragedy, injustice, illness, integrity and talent this family were dealt by life.

I hope her family are able to pull together, it can’t be easy grieving a public figure Mum.

MassiveWordSalad · 29/08/2023 18:26

That's a lovely message from her family, isn't it? Thanks @IwantToRetire

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KCandtheSunlightBand · 07/08/2023 07:50

That, IwantToRetire, is amazing. So few would touch so many people so strongly, to inspire such an incredible tribute. She was unique.

DuesToTheDirt · 28/07/2023 21:26

BaronMunchausen · 27/07/2023 13:07

A record executive suggested she should grow her hair and wear “short skirts and high heels and makeup”. She shaved her hair the next day.

See, I've seen a few of these reports in the last few days and I just find it so bizarre. She was absolutely stunning as she was, and especially with the shaved hair - a change of hair, shoes and makeup couldn't have improved her.

MassiveWordSalad · 28/07/2023 09:42

I'd forgotten about the letter to Miley Cyrus. It was addressed to Miley, but was a universal message to young women in show business. I wonder how Miley feels now that she's moved on from her Terry Richardson era.

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mrshoho · 28/07/2023 08:44

Very sad and I hope she is at peace finally. What a natural gift she had.

Helleofabore · 28/07/2023 08:32

Thank you for sharing that article with snippets of the letter to Miley. Sinead was absolutely spot on.

ChampagneIceCream · 28/07/2023 08:12

Sinead was completely right about Miley.

DoIWantToGetIntoThisHere · 28/07/2023 08:11

What a woman. Often talked about on here - provocative, divisive at times but always true to herself. And that raw emotion in her voice. I remember this thread about the letter she wrote to Miley Cyrus - it led to some heated debate but it was intelligent and passionate debate. I was on it under another name and I remember thinking it was cruel of Miley to take the piss out of Sinead’s mental health. But Miley was only 19 at the time and (hopefully) regrets the cheap shot now and knows that Sinead was only trying to give her some advice. Whether it was right or wrong advice she always stuck to her principles. RIP Sinead. https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/1871556-To-stand-up-and-give-Sinead-OConnor-a-round-of-applause?page=2&reply=42021634

Page 4 | To stand up and give Sinead O'Connor a round of applause | Mumsnet

Not something that would normally happen at Maison Fifi but in this case I think it is richly deserved for her open letter to Miley Cyrus. I know Sine...

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/1871556-To-stand-up-and-give-Sinead-OConnor-a-round-of-applause?page=2&reply=42021634

ChampagneIceCream · 28/07/2023 08:11

BaronMunchausen · 27/07/2023 13:07

A record executive suggested she should grow her hair and wear “short skirts and high heels and makeup”. She shaved her hair the next day.

Love this. Things have REALLY not changed much have they.
She was so true to herself.
We would all do well to be a bit more Sinead 💛

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