This is outrageous - medical paper argues that wanting healthy, undeformed babies should be "queered"

I suspect these babies would be removed at birth in the same way babies are removed from mothers who misuse substances during pregnancy. This would surely be considered failure to adequately care for a child’s needs.

It has masonic references all over it.

Freemasonry isn't even secretive about the Hermetic principles and they are stamped all through society while we look for other causes of societal unrest.
It's the tip of the exploitation iceberg.

“While anti-trans viewpoints are a minority position within feminism”

This is true because feminists who are fighting to prioritise sex over gender where needed are not ‘anti-trans’. It is only people who cannot think outside their polarised thought processes that think this. The majority of the UK population is also not ‘anti-trans’ and the majority agree with the feminists who are prioritising sex over gender where it is needed.

Not helpful, can do a basic Google myself 🙄

Need to use medical search terms are in serious journals because all the top google hits are just fluffy guff re: changing the language so as to be more inclusive which is apparently far more interesting than concerns about FGR.

She sounds completely open to an open and full discussion of the issues. Or perhaps not?

The small number of feminists loudly opposing changes to the Gender Recognition Act (which would merely make the administrative process of gender recognition less bureaucratic) are using a simplistic reading of biology that negates the natural diversities of physical sex characteristics and disregards the realities of trans people’s lives. While anti-trans viewpoints are a minority position within feminism, they are championed by several high-profile writers, many of whom reinforce the extremely offensive trope of the trans woman as a man in drag who is a danger to women

I can't help but think of the East German athletes who, after being dosed with testosterone as teenagers, had miscarriages and children with birth defects many years later. I wonder how they'd feel about people knowingly subjecting their children to worse?

Pregnancy and the mechanisms of it amaze me, but it always blows my mind to think that I once existed inside my grandmother!

‘Intersex’ isn’t a thing medically speaking. It’s an outdated social term. Nobody exists in a third sex. Humans can have disorders of sex development, just like they can have disorders of any other kind of physical development. Doesn’t create people affected by that into a new sex class, obviously. Please let’s not be insulting anyone by misrepresenting their medical reality. https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/differences-in-sex-development/

It would make sense cos female foetuses need unfettered access to their mother's oestrogen and progesterone for their own overaries and uterus to deveop correctly.
Female babies are born with all their eggs already in ovo, as we know.

So a woman taking testosterone in pregnancy is not just endangering the health of her daughter but also of her unborn grandchildren.

So we're talking mulitgeneration inflicted disability.

but hey, authentic self amirite?

Agree. This fails on an ethics front. It is not about weighing the benefits to the mother against the harms to the child, not even in terms of saying mothers should have absolute freedom of action when pregnant. This goes a step further, it is about saying harms to the child should be normalised. That it is ok to harm a child. It is also the logical step of the social model of disability; there is nothing wrong with you, it is society’s fault you are disabled.

@potniatheron sounds like cri du chat (cry of the cat) a chromosome deletion genetic condition

In fact IIRC the insulin problems precede the testosterone problems i.e. the excess insulin causes the excess testosterone. There wouldn't be excess testosterone without the irregular levels of insulin, it's very much secondary in what is going on.

However I am not a doctor. PCOS is quite a complex syndrome which is imperfectly understood (there needs to be more research - typical given it only affects females, if only it were erectile disfunction they'd know a lot more...) and there are a number of different FEMALE conditions that lie underneath it e.g. the 'skinny' PCOS woman who is not overweight but still has hormonal imbalances and the 'polycystic' ovaries commonly seen with this condition.

Is that the Hollywood Nail Salon Upstairs Medical School as run by Dr Nick from The Simpsons?

Well, I was wondering how the resident TRAs would attempt to defend this, but calling PCOS an intersex condition is a surprise.

ReleasetheCrackHen must have gone to the same medical school as the authors of the paper.

No it's bloody not. It's actually primarily a hormone imbalance. In a female body of all the hormones female bodies usually have except not in the right quantities / responding in the right way (one of the features of PCOS is insulin resistance also). Only female bodies can have PCOS. It is not 'intersex' and saying it is is medically illiterate and also incredibly offensive.

For Fucks sake this is so disingenuous misinformation.

PCOS despite the TRAs constantly trying to convince people otherwise is an issue only experienced by WOMEN. It's got absolutely fuck all to do with DSDs.

Poly Cystic Ovary Syndrome: A common hormonal disorder that affects ovaries in women during childbearing years. This results in irregular menstrual cycle.

You've proven by your last few posts that you have no idea at all about the mechanisms of PCOS. No credible medical source believes it is an 'intersex' condition. A female endocrine condition is being misappropriated by those who want to push the idea that sex is a spectrum (it's not).

I am sick to the back teeth of this shit.

Disorders of sexual development (DSD) are conditions with an atypical chromosomal, gonadal or phenotypic sex, which leads to differences in the development of the urogenital tract and different clinical phenotypes.

Women with PCOS develop entirely normally.

We can but hope.. But I'm currently not feeling particularly optimistic that it's going to be any time soon!

Yes it is. All the symptoms are due to excess male hormones in a biological female.

Not a single one of the authors of the paper is a medical professional.

I didn't read the rest of your very long post @ReleasetheCrackHen but PCOS is not an intersex condition. That's a really offensive thing to say (as is using the term intersex).