This is outrageous - medical paper argues that wanting healthy, undeformed babies should be "queered"

This paper is just MORE of the problem, not a solution to it!

thankfully many of the transmen interviewed seem to be thoughtful and responsible, unlike the authors.

What percentage of the women who give birth each year identify as trans? How many of these would be willing to enter a medical study and answer questions honestly that might not give the "trans joy" results they want to hear? What are the chances of these numbers being statistically significant?

Yes. But it is wholly unethical to experiment on infants (or even foetuses, surely after the age of an embryo that can be destroyed). So, how does society get that conclusive information using humans?

So, these female people are arguing that their infants should be the experiments?

I agree that more research is needed. And yes, 'proper medical research'. But NOT at the expense of exposing children to these experiments. And nobody, just nobody, should be celebrating a mother who does this.

Some of the Authors:

Carla A. Pfeffer - Transgender Pregnancy Research funded by the “Economic and Social Research Council in the UK”

Damien W Riggs - transactivist

Ruth Pearce - trans-identified male “feminist” researcher.

I’m done - here is a presentation of this paper from the lead author:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9igw4ErQVvo

There's not enough popcorn in the known universe to feed us when we watch the class actions unfold in a few years.

I truly believe this period will be looked at in total exasperation by future generations.

The point made over and over again in the paper, is the LACK of factual medical information available for trans contemplating pregnancy , about the effects on the baby of taking T, before during or after pregnancy. Read the comments of medical advisers dealing with them.

What's needed here IS proper medical research, not kneejerk reactions or anybody's propaganda.

How many times in history, has society been misled by misinformation about womens bodies; our autonomy denied and abused on moral and religious grounds.

I’m sure there are at Sally Hines’ university!

Imagine a similar article putting forward the argument that banning thalidomide is pandering to the misplaced, and wrong, desire for ‘normal’ babies.

I agree with you Ballerina but I’m happy to hold up the mirror of cultural appropriation and colonising right back at these blokes. It is what they’re doing.

Ok good! Because I don't think there are sanitary bins in the other toilets.

Froodwithatowel I’m really sorry to hear that.

Rosiesmydog I’m so sorry for your loss.

Thanks. It’s all so beyond stupid and insulting. The same crew who’ll be banging on about cultural appropriation and ‘colonisers’ no doubt.
As if it’s not distressing enough to have the issues associated with PCOS without having your womanhood called into question.

Don’t panic, friend!

Clearly you must go in loo for us Ovary-people and ignore the silly posters who say PCOS = inter/third sex.

So I’ve just had a quick root around on Wikipedia - as we know it is all about the trans - not one mention of PCOS being intersex on the intersex pages or the dsd pages or the pcos pages - one entry saying that some PCOS sufferers can get Clitoromegaly on the page about it but nothing on the intersex/dsd/pcos pages - just wanted to make that clear to Hen

lying bullshitters - they just want claim it so they can up the numbers as so many women suffer from it - saw one claim on an intersex site saying 1 in 90 people have an intersex condition

I have PCOS. Which toilet am I supposed to use? 😩

And as always, in every single stupid idea from this critical theory:

• Why should we abandon all boundaries, make this group of society suffer x and stop having any conscience about it while pretending it's a good thing?

• So that T people don't have to hear the word no.

There's pomo ridiculous bullshit and then there's psycopathy. As a society it's time to not get the two confused.

I'm disabled, by a genetically inherited condition. I will die of it. It is not some rich experience of diversity that could be wished away by others seeing me in a rosy glow of accessible heaven. It's crippling. It's painful. It is quality of life destroying. It's made me unemployable and destroyed my career, it's going to destroy my ability to live independently before much longer. I would not wish this on someone I hated, never mind think of it as a future I wanted for a child of mine. The sheer naive stupidity and egotism of this bullshit has to stop now.

I don't think they're trying to "make a point about societies attitudes towards disabled people or pregnant women". You're imputing a decent motive to them when actually this is anything but.

What they are trying to do is justify women who want to keep taking testosterone when they discover they are pregnant, even though testosterone is a known teratogenic.

In order to do this, they are using the very laudable aims of disability activists and distorting them to provide a beneficent sounding smokescreen for their own sinister, selfish stance.

It is emotional manipulation on the highest level, as are many TRA activist stances.

I'm sorry to hear this @Rosiesmydog

I’m sorry - anything I could type here seems completely inadequate.

I suspect these authors are able to be so cavalier about ‘queering’ the bodies of children because they have absolutely no clue of the realities of raising a child with special needs and/or life limiting/life threatening conditions.

Just your everyday academic.

oh god. so we go from one extreme of "don't even take painkillers!" to "don't worry, a few fatal defects aren't anything to worry about". WTF

Totally effed up point of view.

We take pains to give birth to healthy children, for their sake, because they have a life beyond being a prop for their parent and deserve the healthiest body that we can naturally give them.

I'd wager the author is healthy and normative - all thanks to their birth mother, why aren't other unborn children allowed the same advantages?

This Is an utterly dark take and ethically bonkers.

PCOS is an "intersex" condition- I thought I'd heard it all but there's always more, isn't there.

I was diagnosed in my 20s with PCOS. Took metformin (a diabetic drug, not female hormones ) for a while then stopped. Conceived my children without any sort of medical intervention. There is nothing ambiguous about my sex whatsoever.

Man this has wound me up. Such bullshit merchants.