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Colonel 'forced out of Army' after stating 'men cannot be women'

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IwantToRetire · 29/06/2023 23:32

In May, he shared a post on his private Facebook account from Fair Play for Women, a campaign group that works with governing bodies to preserve women’s sport for those born female, which consisted of a quote from Helen Joyce, a feminist campaigner backed by the author JK Rowling.
The quote, shared without any additional comment, said: “If women cannot stand in a public place and say ‘men cannot be women’, then we do not have women’s rights at all.”

This prompted a junior officer to warn him that his gender-critical views could be at odds with Ministry of Defence transgender policies, before what Dr Wright calls the Army’s “LGBT champions” allegedly drew up a seven-page dossier about his “substandard behaviour” – which he was not allowed to see.

A formal Army investigation was opened in May that could have led to him being formally dismissed or censured under the Major Administrative Action process, through which he has been asked to make a statement.

“This attack on my honour made my position completely untenable. I could no longer remain in an Army which treated its officers with such disrespect.

“What message does it send to women in the Army, that merely for noting the existence of women and women’s rights even a colonel can be placed under investigation? I therefore feel there is no other choice but to make this matter public.
“It makes you wonder who is running the Army: the Chief of the Defence Staff, or Stonewall?”

From a much longer Telegraph article reprinted by yahoo at Colonel 'forced out of Army' after stating 'men cannot be women' (yahoo.com) with info about his army career including a Hospital Support Regiment

Colonel 'forced out of Army' after stating 'men cannot be women'

A colonel has claimed he was forced to quit the Army after he was criticised for stating that “men cannot be women”.

https://uk.style.yahoo.com/colonel-forced-army-stating-men-183809223.html

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fyn · 30/06/2023 09:17

The army is losing excellent soldiers hand over fist because of low pay and absolutely dreadful accommodation (that we do pay for contrary to popular to popular belief!) The last thing they need is to drive more out with this absolute nonsense.

DH is leaving to do the same job in the private sector for three times the salary without the mouldy houses but he certainly wouldn’t have stood for anybody telling him this either.

TodayInahurry · 30/06/2023 09:02

Pure evil, when people cannot speak the truth

MrsOvertonsWindow · 30/06/2023 09:01

MissLucyEyelesbarrow · 30/06/2023 08:41

Have they issued the little red books yet?

If the MoD are still a Stonewall champion then that's what they do isn't it? They must comply with Stonewall's instructions, many of them seeking to create a hostile environment for women to remain a Diversity champion.
He's an Intensive Care consultant, led hospital teams in Afghanistan so will have a very clear understanding of facts and biology.
Unbelievable.

Janie143 · 30/06/2023 08:48

DrBlackbird · 30/06/2023 08:22

This prompted a junior officer to warn him…

Ah the heady intoxicating power of being able to discipline an older, more senior person through the all powerful righteous morality ‘police’ that we see in the likes of SW etc. You will not be able to speak the truth.

Feels not so far off what happens in other countries that we disparage for their lack of human rights.

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This hits the nail on the head. 100%
Human rights in the UK right now are being dismantled bit by bit.

MissLucyEyelesbarrow · 30/06/2023 08:41

DrBlackbird · 30/06/2023 08:22

This prompted a junior officer to warn him…

Ah the heady intoxicating power of being able to discipline an older, more senior person through the all powerful righteous morality ‘police’ that we see in the likes of SW etc. You will not be able to speak the truth.

Feels not so far off what happens in other countries that we disparage for their lack of human rights.

Have they issued the little red books yet?

ResisterRex · 30/06/2023 08:26

At the end it says it's an internal matter (link should be accessible). I can't recall the case (is it a social worker one?) but this reminds me of it. Where from reports, it seems as though someone had a good snoop on a private page, and would've gained access by pretending to be that person's friend. Stasi-style.

'Simply saying men can’t be women cost me my Army career’

digitaleditions.telegraph.co.uk/data/1383/reader/reader.html?social#!preferred/0/package/1383/pub/1383/page/5/article/NaN

"An Army spokesman said: “We are aware of a post shared by a service person to their own personal social media account which may have caused offence.

“We are not prepared to comment further as this is an ongoing internal matter.”"

Signalbox · 30/06/2023 08:23

That was supposed to say...

"He is being supported by the Free Speech Union which has appointed an employment barrister to defend him, as the investigation is still ongoing"

Signalbox · 30/06/2023 08:22

JacquelinePot · 30/06/2023 08:13

Please tell me he's going to take legal action?

FSU are supporting him.

"He is being supported by the <a class="break-all" href="https://archive.ph/o/5KGE5/www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/02/16/launching-free-speech-union/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Free Speech Union, which has appointed an employment barrister to defend him, as the investigation is still ongoing"

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/06/29/colonel-forced-out-of-army-after-saying-men-cant-be-women/

Colonel 'forced out of Army' after stating 'men cannot be women'

Kelvin Wright says he had to resign following warning from junior officer that his views could be at odds with MoD transgender policy

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/06/29/colonel-forced-out-of-army-after-saying-men-cant-be-women/

DrBlackbird · 30/06/2023 08:22

This prompted a junior officer to warn him…

Ah the heady intoxicating power of being able to discipline an older, more senior person through the all powerful righteous morality ‘police’ that we see in the likes of SW etc. You will not be able to speak the truth.

Feels not so far off what happens in other countries that we disparage for their lack of human rights.

MissLucyEyelesbarrow · 30/06/2023 08:17

dimorphism · 30/06/2023 07:56

Surely constructive dismissal?

And I, and thousands of other women I'm sure, are offended at the misogyny of the Army but that doesn't ever seem to matter.

Yes, they have moved seamlessly from old style misogyny (sexual harassment/abuse/disadvantaging women) to new style (silencing and dehumanising). Not that old style has gone away, either, obviously.

MissLucyEyelesbarrow · 30/06/2023 08:14

He is.

JacquelinePot · 30/06/2023 08:13

Please tell me he's going to take legal action?

MissLucyEyelesbarrow · 30/06/2023 08:04

AdultFemaleMorningsider · 30/06/2023 07:59

Surely surely, post-Forstater, and assuming there isn't a whole lot more to the story that's not being reported, this one will quickly go away? The Army doesn't have some special dispensation to ignore the Equality Act or something, does it?

It does, I believe, in some circumstances, such as during conflict. But I doubt that would apply here, as it was in the UK and not during an operation (in the military, not medical, sense!).

SirSamVimesCityWatch · 30/06/2023 08:02

This has got to be worth legal challenge, surely?

Who is the current secretary of defence? Do we know what his or her views on the gender woo are?

AdultFemaleMorningsider · 30/06/2023 07:59

Surely surely, post-Forstater, and assuming there isn't a whole lot more to the story that's not being reported, this one will quickly go away? The Army doesn't have some special dispensation to ignore the Equality Act or something, does it?

Rightsraptor · 30/06/2023 07:57

And we know, thanks to Mr Justice Knowles, that there is no right not to be offended. I wonder if the army knows that.

dimorphism · 30/06/2023 07:56

Surely constructive dismissal?

And I, and thousands of other women I'm sure, are offended at the misogyny of the Army but that doesn't ever seem to matter.

QuickWash · 30/06/2023 07:36

The doubling down!

An Army spokesman said: “We are aware of a post shared by a service person to their own personal social media account which may have caused offence.

Can they not SEE what they're saying? That someone arguing that the right to state facts is important and her they are denying that right?

The lack of insight is shocking.

FannyCann · 30/06/2023 07:29

I wonder where the Colonel works in the NHS. Because he is just as likely to be censured for his views there too especially if his hospital is signed up to the Rainbow badge scheme which is another outsourced Stonewall enforcement scheme.

MissLucyEyelesbarrow · 30/06/2023 07:28

Justme56 · 30/06/2023 07:18

So the RAF have just been found guilty of positive discrimination (leading a woman resigning because she knew they were acting unlawfully) and now this. The forces need to get a grip.

Yes, a woman who had the moral courage to stand up for men who were being discriminated against. And despite that fact that she will almost certainly have experienced constant misogyny throughout her career. But she still stood up for men who were being treated unfairly.

Justme56 · 30/06/2023 07:18

So the RAF have just been found guilty of positive discrimination (leading a woman resigning because she knew they were acting unlawfully) and now this. The forces need to get a grip.

MissLucyEyelesbarrow · 30/06/2023 07:18

And the military still has rampant homophobia. But so much easier to purge an officer for wrong-thought than to do anything about that.

Whatwouldscullydo · 30/06/2023 07:13

Well the army seem to know exactly what a woman is when you read/hear about all the sexual assaults rapes amd bullying that goes on.

BabyStopCryin · 30/06/2023 07:03

Bonkers.

dcbc1234 · 30/06/2023 02:01

powershowerforanhour · 30/06/2023 00:02

So the Army have lost an experienced intensive care consultant by chasing the rainbow. Like they just grow on trees. Well done, idiots.

Clearly the Forstater ruling passed the Army by?

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