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Girls assaulted by teenage boy in mixed sex school toilet in Essex school

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Clymene · 28/06/2023 21:02

Repost as my previous thread got auto hidden for including an archive link

Four girls assaulted by a predatory teenage boy. Four girls whose lives have been ruined by this evil misogynist ideology.

Link to article here: www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/06/28/essex-schoolgirls-sexually-assaulted-gender-neutral-toilets/

And also on archive

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Tippingadvice · 18/07/2024 19:51

I feel so sorry for those girls, and all girls being subjected to sexual assaults in school.

I’m not sure if cognitive dissonance is the right phrase, but how can anyone state they want to reduce VAWG and be committed to self ID that sees a fundamental change from single sex to mixed sex prisons, communal changing rooms and toilets and not realise the second is likely to have the opposite effect. I’m looking at you Sir Kier.

WhatAMessWales · 18/07/2024 18:38

Merched Cymru/Women of Wales have been asking local authorities in Wales to ensure their school toilets are in line with the regulations. The Welsh regs are absolutely clear that school toilets for children over the age of 8 must be single sex. (The only exemption is for fully enclosed rooms with a handwashing basin inside, like a conventional disabled toilet.)

Rhondda Cynon Taf council have committed to bringing all their loos in line with regs by the autumn term. Very evasive responses from some of the others - details here: School toilets campaign - Merched Cymru

School toilets campaign - Merched Cymru

Many schools in Wales have mixed sex toilets which are not compliant with the law, and present considerable problems, particularly for girls. Merched Cymru’s research shows that 15% of Welsh secondary schools surveyed have only mixed sex toilet provisi...

https://merchedcymru.wales/school-toilets-campaign/

ResisterOfTwaddleRex · 18/07/2024 16:58

Questions need to be asked of this "charity" AND of the adults who've decided the law on toilets doesn't apply. It does. And they've got safeguarding responsibilities.

x.com/geofreywithonef/status/1813707327603896751?s=46&t=WHoOZ_3Kv5G6-FyQuvE0LQ

IwantToRetire · 18/07/2024 16:46

fromorbit · 18/07/2024 15:59

The boy has been charged in this case 7 offences:

https://www.gazette-news.co.uk/news/24444932.police-charge-teenager-seven-sex-offences-essex-school/

Maybe a good time to hassle appropriate authorities in new Labour government about the dangers of mixed sex toilets in schools.

16 months to get to this point?

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TheBiologyStupid · 30/06/2023 20:53

Looks like the same case to me. But then again, what do I know?

ResisterRex · 30/06/2023 19:20

It's unclear if this is an additional arrest. It's from 5 hours ago. It may well not be, it might just be the BBC catching up/reluctantly reporting on it. It sounds very much like the original story but the timing seems strange

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-essex-66052546

Dinkler · 30/06/2023 17:58

Just read this now, absolutely awful, I feel so sad for those girls.

literalviolence · 30/06/2023 16:03

dimorphism · 28/06/2023 23:14

But even if heads do roll and even if the girls get a hefty pay out, they've still suffered immeasurable harm because adults were drinking the kool aid about a nonsensical ideology rather than safeguarding properly.

The toilets should have been single sex, and I believe the law says this too.

Worse still - the adults were congratulating themselves on how progressive they were whilst dismantling safeguards and refusing to listen to the people who've actually been the victims of their policies.

itwasntmetho · 30/06/2023 15:47

Silverumbrella · 29/06/2023 11:36

Have they said which school it is? We are in North Essex and I have a 15 year old dd. She won’t even go to the toilet at school since they changed them to gender neutral. She is on her period and yesterday flooded through her clothes because she is scared to go into a toilet that boys may be in as she’s worried about them knowing she’s on her period! This angers me so very much but the school won’t do anything about it.

That's horrible for her, I wouldn't want to be a kid today.

Check your PM's.

AlisonDonut · 30/06/2023 13:31

Tinysoxx · 30/06/2023 13:11

This is what I can’t understand. It is readily accepted that boys will do this to girls.

So the barmy solution that schools come up with, is to make the toilets mixed sex and the doors full height.

Full height doors discriminates against those disabled/ ill children who need a degree of visibility as well as privacy in order to be safe. I know of 2 girls, one my own Dd, who in their educational plan were to use the girls loos (traditional ones with door not reaching the floor) specifically because they were safer in case of seizures/ fainting.

Full height doors also creates lots of little mixed sexed cubicles that are private spaces for drugs and sexual activities. And they can’t be accessed if they open inwards and someone has collapsed behind the door or harmed themselves. Or quickly scanned in the event of a fire/bomb alert. And the same boys will laugh outside the doors and the occupant can’t see if anyone is waiting for them.

There is also the problems of air circulation, hygiene, cleaning and maintenance being much easier with door gaps.

As I said previously, there will be unfortunately more preventable incidents with these new style toilets and they need to be documented so there are no excuses.

They are MORE SCARED of being cancelled. Nothing else matters.

Tinysoxx · 30/06/2023 13:11

YouJustDoYou · 30/06/2023 12:05

We had to share toilets for a few weeks when I was in secondary due to building works, the boys would try and look over and under the stalls, laugh when they heard a pad being ripped open (and queue all the "URGH, she's on the BLOB!" etc), talking about how we stink etc. It was fucking awful. As well as safety, GIRLS. NEED. PRIVACY!!

This is what I can’t understand. It is readily accepted that boys will do this to girls.

So the barmy solution that schools come up with, is to make the toilets mixed sex and the doors full height.

Full height doors discriminates against those disabled/ ill children who need a degree of visibility as well as privacy in order to be safe. I know of 2 girls, one my own Dd, who in their educational plan were to use the girls loos (traditional ones with door not reaching the floor) specifically because they were safer in case of seizures/ fainting.

Full height doors also creates lots of little mixed sexed cubicles that are private spaces for drugs and sexual activities. And they can’t be accessed if they open inwards and someone has collapsed behind the door or harmed themselves. Or quickly scanned in the event of a fire/bomb alert. And the same boys will laugh outside the doors and the occupant can’t see if anyone is waiting for them.

There is also the problems of air circulation, hygiene, cleaning and maintenance being much easier with door gaps.

As I said previously, there will be unfortunately more preventable incidents with these new style toilets and they need to be documented so there are no excuses.

Redebs · 30/06/2023 12:22

Now that 'being trans' is a big thing in some schools, the girls' toilets will be available for groups of boys to enter. It's not just an occasional, nervous, confused little lad; it's gangs of boys asserting their 'rights'.

How many girls are risking dehydration and UTIs trying to avoid having to use the loo at school in case of embarassment, harassment or assault? And learning to cope with periods in such an environment is additionally stressful.

YouJustDoYou · 30/06/2023 12:05

Silverumbrella · 29/06/2023 11:36

Have they said which school it is? We are in North Essex and I have a 15 year old dd. She won’t even go to the toilet at school since they changed them to gender neutral. She is on her period and yesterday flooded through her clothes because she is scared to go into a toilet that boys may be in as she’s worried about them knowing she’s on her period! This angers me so very much but the school won’t do anything about it.

We had to share toilets for a few weeks when I was in secondary due to building works, the boys would try and look over and under the stalls, laugh when they heard a pad being ripped open (and queue all the "URGH, she's on the BLOB!" etc), talking about how we stink etc. It was fucking awful. As well as safety, GIRLS. NEED. PRIVACY!!

YouJustDoYou · 30/06/2023 12:02

No one cares if girls and women get assaulted. As long as cosplaying men and boys feelings aren't hurt, then that's all that matters.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 29/06/2023 18:00

chilling19 · 29/06/2023 13:25

'I’m also angry that Ofsted hasn’t stepped in before now - part of their remit is to evaluate schools on safeguarding, so why haven’t they flagged that some schools are breaching statutory guidelines and downgraded them according'

As far as I know, this is not part of the safeguarding guidelines for OFSTED, so they do not take it into account.

Perhaps a review of what exactly OFSTED are evaluating is in order?

Until last year Ofsted were Stonewall champions. They abandoned the scheme when Stonewall were outed for demanding that Ofsted downgrade primary schools who were not covering gender identity in detail.

That's how this age inappropriate ideology has got so far in schools - because the useful idiots pushing it included Ofsted!

ResisterRex · 29/06/2023 17:47

JKR has commented on this:

https://twitter.com/jkrowling/status/1674345407244009473?s=48&t=WHoOZZ_3Kv5G6-FyQuvE0LQ

ArabeIIaScott · 29/06/2023 13:41

Obviously the focus in this thread is on safety. But what about girls' privacy and dignity?

Teenage girls need female only spaces, I can't believe anyone can't understand that.

chilling19 · 29/06/2023 13:29

'But there's a reason why schools are opting for the 'open to corridor' model, and it's because rooms where pupils can congregate out of sight of teachers are not safe, even if all pupils are of the same sex. The lack of visibility to teachers meant they were where bullies congregated, vandalism, fights and smoking etc happened.'

Yes, agree. However the solution to this was not to open up gender neutral toilets, thus making the situation even worse - now we can add sexual assault to the list of issues outlined above.

It cannot be beyond the wit of the people responsible to come up with a solution to minimise the undesirable activities in single sex toilets. What they have done is shrugged their shoulders.

chilling19 · 29/06/2023 13:25

'I’m also angry that Ofsted hasn’t stepped in before now - part of their remit is to evaluate schools on safeguarding, so why haven’t they flagged that some schools are breaching statutory guidelines and downgraded them according'

As far as I know, this is not part of the safeguarding guidelines for OFSTED, so they do not take it into account.

Perhaps a review of what exactly OFSTED are evaluating is in order?

TheBiologyStupid · 29/06/2023 13:19

LizzieSiddal · 28/06/2023 21:24

FFS! The school governors need to be held account for allowing this to happen. It’s not as if these assaults cannot have been entirely predicted.

Absolutely! Such a disgrace - anyone not wearing rainbow glitter blinkers could have seen this coming.

viques · 29/06/2023 12:40

Nick Fletcher MP on gender neutral toilets in schools ( or anywhere imo) “why are we creating an issue that we do not need to create”.

Well, quite. Some ideas need binning before they get out of the focus group meeting.

AlisonDonut · 29/06/2023 12:22

You need REALLY good evidence that you thought through all the different scenarios before removing singel sex spaces.

The problem is that schools will not say 'no' to boys who want access to female spaces. So because they are too chicken to say 'No' girls have to be raped and sexually assaulted.

Because girls are disposable.

Silverumbrella · 29/06/2023 11:36

Have they said which school it is? We are in North Essex and I have a 15 year old dd. She won’t even go to the toilet at school since they changed them to gender neutral. She is on her period and yesterday flooded through her clothes because she is scared to go into a toilet that boys may be in as she’s worried about them knowing she’s on her period! This angers me so very much but the school won’t do anything about it.