Police withdraw stalking protection order application against Caroline Farrow

The binned order made much of Caroline having 39 saved tweets on her phone

Just to clarify, these were tweets by someone else referencing Caroline?

I mean even if there wasn’t a court case, isn’t documenting that kind of harassment exactly what you’re supposed to do?

How do you descend to the nadir of misogyny where a man sends hostile tweets about a woman 39 times, and the woman privately documents it, and you conclude the woman is in the wrong?

Re August. Even If the CPS prosecutor decides the case doesn't pass their legal tests, my understanding is that the "victim/s" have a right to ask the CPS to look at their decision again.

So a different prosecutor has to review the evidence and decide whether the original decision was correct, or should be overturned.

She or he then has to let the " victim" know the review outcome with an explanation of their decision.

So, unfortunately, this could continue to roll on for some time past August.

DrLouiseJMoody
It depends on what the reporting person has said and what evidence they have to offer.

If "....A decision will be made whether it's going to the CPS at the end of August...." it possible that they are still waiting the downloads to come back.

If it gets sent to CPS at the end of August, it could be another month before they make a decision.

SlightlyShostakovich
So do you think humanity should work both ways?
Is it acceptable for me to just accept the abuse on here?

*meant to say NOT acting at Caroline's behest before anyone starts!

A decision will be made whether it's going to the CPS at the end of August.

At this point, it's difficult to know what case Surrey can make. The binned order made much of Caroline having 39 saved tweets on her phone oblivious as to why she had them (and 39 is a fraction of what's posted about her), namely, she's been sued three times and reported to the police previously. Of course you save anything relevant to the case.

I'm expecting a complaint to be made about me over these posts but I'm not disclosing anything confidential, acting at Caroline's behest, and have, insofar as the complainant goes, confined myself to publicly available information - indeed, their own words. Taking a view about the case based on what I've seen is neither contempt nor prejudicing it.

So surly humanity should work both ways?

I don’t think I like the sound of your surly humanity, Felix.

Is the rest of the case concluded?

Thelnebriati
The SPO application is over and done with.

Needmoresleep
No humanity.

Just to mention - this board doesn't seem to be one which has a lot of humanity in any case.

I have been repeatedly told to F* Off, had other forms of abuse thrown at me, been called 'a pig' which only one person called it out as wrong. And as a few posters on here have said - if you don't call it out are you complicit in it?

So surly humanity should work both ways?

Lets all remind ourselves not to be baited into saying too much. That wouldn't be helpful. Eyes in the prize, people.

Felix should stop asking so many questions about the specifics of the case, imo. Wait until its over and done with.

If that 'perspective' was relevant to the SPO application - then it should have been submitted.

I take it that is what the adjournment was for.

She did not go no comment on everything and explained very clearly her perspective. That perspective was then omitted from the application.

DrLouiseJMoody

Was it questioned at the first hearing as to why that was not the case, or was it a case she went 'no reply' in interview?

Was the adjournment invoked by the court for the defence/interview answers to be submitted?

No, Caroline's interview answers were not included in the application. Again, I don't consider this a mere oversight.

I am hoping for a scenario like:

PCC..are you sure
Police...yes our investigating office has done her homework and is very sure.
PCC..OK, it is not my job to interfere with active investigations. I will bide my time, see how it turns out, and then lets discuss.

AlisonDonut ·
Very senior managers are responsible for managing departments.
No shit, Sherlock.

That's why they wont be taking on the actual case personally and become the OIC. It was in answer to another poster

Needmoresleep
I totally agree that its torturous for Caroline and should be dealt with as soon as possible. Its not acceptable that she is put through this at all. And if it is a vexatious complaint, then the reporting person should be charged.

That's why we need a load more officers to deal with cases. That's why we should be kicking back on safeguarding, cell watches, missing from homes, mental health concerns, CPS wanting full files before they review them etc etc.

But at present, this is where we are at. If the OIC sets their stall out and just concentrates on Caroline's case to get it concluded asap - then the other 15-20 complainants/victims on their queue will complain that they are being ignored. The emergency call which goes un-answered will complain theat they have had no response to their emergency, CPS kick a file back because its not fully complete despite it having no effect on the decision. etc etc.

And yes my colleagues would agree - as we are all in the same boat. Police officers on here have often shared similar issues.

DrLouiseJMoody
Was her interview no submitted as a submission of her defence?

I should also add that Lisa Townsend's remarks were likely because she was on acting on information from Surrey Chief Constable who would have been briefed by Wiggum. Surrey police trusted that Wiggum had done her job properly but Wiggum didn't even cite Caroline's answers during the first interview in her application. They had chapter & verse and did not take it into account.

Note Lisa Townsend's more subdued remarks once the order was binned. She was duped.

He can’t, he told us that he always works alone and therefore has never seen any misogyny. So he wouldn’t be able to tell us about any other police officer’s views.

A biological she of limited intelligence. Personally, I think the omission of Caroline's submissions was an attempt to smuggle the order through since nearly all of them are approved. Now I've checked what I can say without a police whinge I'm off to Tweet :-]

i think that was referring to officer (wiggum?) rather than the complainant. And the point was that the police office (wiggum?) is a woman. Because it's one of those things, when we think "police officer" we so often think of a man. I don't think there is or was any intention to muddy the waters of biological sex there.

I think the Sorry Police (sorry not sorry) PCC is waiting to see how the entirety of this plays out and is no longer an active case in court before making any sort of pronouncement on it. I don't blame her, tbh.

Felix is full of reasons why the police are dragging out this process.

No acknowledgement that the delays will be tortuous for Caroline.

No humanity.

If he is a police officer it would be great if he could confirm that the majority of his colleagues are likely to share his views/approach.

When I wrote my response navigating pronouns, I was trying very, very hard not to use the phrase ‘real woman’.

She as in the cat's mother. (If yes, then it's a whole new set of questions regarding furries).

🤣😂🤣🤣😂🤣

She as in non binary but you can use she pronouns, but could still NOT* be a biological woman.

Very senior managers are responsible for managing departments.

No shit, Sherlock.