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Update on research into gender identity data in Census 2021 - ONS says no issues found

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IwantToRetire · 20/06/2023 02:02

We have now published our first research report, which examines whether the information that people provided on the Census was coded and processed accurately. The report of this investigation ‘Collecting and processing Census 2021 data on gender identity’ concludes that 94% of respondents to the Census answered the question and there is no evidence to suggest that the published results were not coded or processed accurately.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/news/statementsandletters/updateonresearchintogenderidentitydataincensus2021

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Slothtoes · 09/11/2023 07:31

Thing is in other statistical areas (health) the ONS have a whole massive project to try to achieve statistical coherence across all the different bodies generating health data so that they can be compared and understood clearly.
https://blog.ons.gov.uk/2023/11/01/creating-a-coherent-picture-of-health-in-the-uk/

almost as though ONS actually DO know perfectly well that muddling up data is a terrible thing to do for health and public service planning or just trying to understand the population.

I just feel really sad that ONS lacked the management spine or confidence in getting any robust government political backing to say no, or were sufficiently packed with useful idiots and campaigners, that they ruined such an essential dataset as the bloody national census. It’s heartbreaking.

Creating a coherent picture of health in the UK | National Statistical

https://blog.ons.gov.uk/2023/11/01/creating-a-coherent-picture-of-health-in-the-uk/

Ereshkigalangcleg · 08/11/2023 19:23

My favourite caveat - self-selecting, indeed.

Trans migrants might have chosen the U.K. because of our greater civil rights and cultural acceptance?

I thought the U.K. was "TERF island" and someone claimed asylum in New Zealand on that basis? Who's going to tell them?

PermanentTemporary · 08/11/2023 18:57

zibzibara · 20/06/2023 02:27

The coding of write-in answers did not make use of information from the sex question. It was recognised that some trans people might record the same response for both sex and gender identity. Write-in responses of "man" or "woman" were therefore coded to "trans man" or "trans woman".

I bet they transed a load of people who didn't understand the question.

At least they are making it clear that the input to the questions provided is a total mess, and they had to make largely arbitrary decisions about what people were likely to have meant in context, despite other research showing the context is actively alien to a huge chunk of the population.

ResisterRex · 08/11/2023 18:46

It's so embarrassing. Not to mention reckless: spending on something that was predictably way off, where it could have been avoided and lots of people told them the way to avoid errors.

Yet they seem nonplussed.

IcakethereforeIam · 08/11/2023 18:02

They're desperate now. I'm embarrassed for they/them.

IMustHave · 08/11/2023 18:00

My favourite caveat - self-selecting, indeed.

Update on research into gender identity data in Census 2021 - ONS says no issues found
IMustHave · 08/11/2023 17:56

and also

Update on research into gender identity data in Census 2021 - ONS says no issues found
Update on research into gender identity data in Census 2021 - ONS says no issues found
IMustHave · 08/11/2023 17:55

But also….

Update on research into gender identity data in Census 2021 - ONS says no issues found
IMustHave · 08/11/2023 17:54

Not just the processing…

Update on research into gender identity data in Census 2021 - ONS says no issues found
PronounssheRa · 08/11/2023 17:37

https://twitter.com/ONS/status/1722186281461907720

ONS are getting a pasting on twitter mainly along the lines of 'We told you so'

What a waste of time and money.

Update on research into gender identity data in Census 2021 - ONS says no issues found
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IwantToRetire · 08/11/2023 17:28

The ONS seem to have released a new report.

Thanks - I just looked at Press Releases, never thought to look at what seems to be ongoing work on the last Census.

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BinturongsSmellOfPopcorn · 08/11/2023 16:58

Ooh - does 'exchange of letters' mean they got a dressing down?

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IwantToRetire · 08/11/2023 16:54

I can only find this on the ONS web site and was in October

Exchange of letters between the Office for Statistics Regulation (OSR) and the Office for National Statistics (ONS) on the topic of census gender identity statistics and a report from OSR published today (9 October 2023). https://www.ons.gov.uk/news/statementsandletters/exchangeoflettersbetweenosrandons

Exchange of letters between OSR and ONS - Office for National Statistics

https://www.ons.gov.uk/news/statementsandletters/exchangeoflettersbetweenosrandons

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Slothtoes · 13/08/2023 18:49

Christ that blog! Essential reading:

‘We did not expect to find quite how poorly understood these terms are… terms were correctly understood by fewer than two-thirds of those asked. The remaining responses split roughly evenly between those who misunderstood, and those who were not sure.’

ONS should be absolutely ashamed of themselves. They should have been testing their questions to destruction with all sections of society. Clearly they only listed to certain groups.

This is particularly awful because public and charitable funding will be diverted from other groups to support this one group, which doesn’t exist in anything like ONS’ stated numbers.

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IwantToRetire · 13/08/2023 18:07

Sorry haven't got the link to the thread, but this was my response to the research by MBM on how few people understood what trans meant.

their research definitely calls into question the weakness of the question.
https://murrayblackburnmackenzie.org/2023/08/07/clarity-matters-how-placating-lobbyists-obscures-public-understanding-of-sex-and-gender/

Clarity matters: how placating lobbyists obscures public understanding of sex and gender - Murray Blackburn Mackenzie

This blog describes the results of polling we commissioned to test how well people understand what the terms ‘transgender woman’ and ‘trans woman’ tell them about a person’s sex. The findings show that there is substantial confusion about these terms,...

https://murrayblackburnmackenzie.org/2023/08/07/clarity-matters-how-placating-lobbyists-obscures-public-understanding-of-sex-and-gender

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MrsOvertonsWindow · 13/08/2023 13:50

Theeyeballsinthesky · 13/08/2023 13:37

Yes I remember that being the case as well

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Yes. If it's not self invested individuals it seems to be the parents of gender confused children - all with the same result that professional organisations abandon their knowledge and skills and capitulate to the gender woowoo worldview - for fear of being seen as bigots?

Theeyeballsinthesky · 13/08/2023 13:37

IcakethereforeIam · 13/08/2023 13:34

I think there is (was?) a transwoman high up in the ons. Probably a coincidence 🤔

Yes I remember that being the case as well

IcakethereforeIam · 13/08/2023 13:34

I think there is (was?) a transwoman high up in the ons. Probably a coincidence 🤔

Boiledbeetle · 13/08/2023 13:18

I cannot understand why a brand new question wasn't thoroughly checked and put to focus groups to ensure ALL understood what was being asked before rolling it out in the form they did.

Slothtoes · 13/08/2023 13:15

Please let the researchers keep picking at this absolute farce until there is some big media reaction. This is an absolute scandal. The questions were so badly written and biased towards cartons interests that we have fucked up our national dataset, just as women said we would. ONS should be absolutely hauled over the coals for this. They marched on pigheadedly knowing these problems and only listening to the TRA lobby.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 13/08/2023 13:04

This is what happens when once respected institutions sign up to the trans lobby. They produce incoherent, scientifically / mathematically illogical data and text because they're in hock to an ideology that openly undermines facts, biology and rational thought.
It's very sad to see.

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