Insurrection in the toilets

Let me guess, the OP did this just to post on here?

I support LGBT rights but I don't go around vandalising property.

From my experience of them over the course of my long life, I think many people with XY chromosomes, regardless of their gender, would not even realise the potential ambiguity in the first place. NAMALT but most don't think in this nuanced way. If it was a TRA of the male sex who wrote it, I'm pretty sure that that person was certain that it was direct and and unambiguous - and that it was a personal triumph for them to have written a slur on GC feminists in the actual ladies' loos...

Males shouldn't be in women's spaces. How would they be getting persecuted when they should never be in a position to see the (very mildly expressed) graffiti? Therefore, if they do see it then it is an issue that has to be dealt with.

Anyway, Mishy apparently has better things to do than women defending our rights but the lack of chiding and shaming of those who waste time and cause criminal damage by using the threatening Etsy stickers mentioned upthread is telling.

I think that if written by someone with XY chromosomes it would likely be more direct and triumphant and not ambiguous.

Indeed. How can we possibly know whether or not it is someone using TERF as a slur, or someone reclaiming TERF from being a slur?

Sadly, that crossed my mind too.

Has anyone considered it may actually have been written by a triumphant trans identified man? I can't imagine many women would graffiti toilets in that way.

If I see that anywhere I shall decorate it all the way around with neat red Sharpie hearts ❤️ ❤️❤️
(loading sharpie into bag now)

“Only problem, a trans woman might not see this. A woman sits to pee and would be facing the door. A penis owner stands to pee and would be facing the wall.”

From previously posted threads, the other problem might be that the door’s left open, so the text couldn’t be read anyway.

The writing in the picture in the OP is very similar, wonder if it's the same person.

I came across this in a public toilet in Edinburgh during the summer. Made my day!

@MishyJDI why is your issue with "cis men" rather than all men?

And how does one distinguish between "cis men" and "transwomen"?

I guess it's something to do now that the nights are pulling in.

My God, keeping predatory blokes out of women's toilets, is persecuting them!! 🤣

Remember Mishy, good men stay out, so bad men stand out.

My issue is with CIS men and their behaviours, not such a small minority.

In what way are there behaviours different from men who identify as women?

Phantoms! Wouldn't calling transwomen phantoms be very transphobic?

But Mishy, you don't know who is a cis man, so how can you worry about it? Are there any criteria for having a man gender identity? You've never named even one.

criminal vandalism 😂

aka the noble tradition of toilet graffiti

you know men are men with male pattern behaviours even if they say they’re women right Mishy ?

Mishy admits again that promoting women's rights is in conflict with "trans rights"... you're not supposed to actually say it, even though we all know it, Mishy!

Genuinely glad though that when trans people talk about their lives being difficult, I now know it's because they've seen a sticker with suffragette colours on. I was under the impression things were worse, but good to know that's what people mean

I've a friend who works for Co-op Insurance. If there's anything in particular you want to worry about, I can ask her for you.

Plus, calling transwomen 'phantoms' sounds a bit like you're denying their actual existence, Mishy. Is that really what you meant?

I'd have thought cis men was a bit of an odd 'hobby', but it takes all sorts.

My god, the joys expressed on this thread of making a minority lives so much more difficult then they are now and celebrating criminal vandalism with intent expressed. That is truly sad. How did many of you come to this point where you lost perspective on what you are doing - i.e. persecuting other people.

Personally I find better hobbies than worrying about phantoms. My issue is with CIS men and their behaviours, not such a small minority.

I too did the 'if you can read this while peeing you're in the wrong loo' graffiti.

A few days later I was there again and someone had written TERF underneath.

I took great pleasure in adding in:

Trans-sceptic Educated Real Female

I put up the odd sticker in my toilets of choice. I know the cleaning person will have to remove them (or someone grumpy), but its better than permanent marker which will encourage vandalism yes, I'm an old lady who cares about such things