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"I don't give a shit about the scientific explanations. If they identify as a women, they get to compete in sports"

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EdgeOfACoin · 29/05/2023 07:17

Emma Vigeland, presenter on The Majority Report, a "progressive" internet talk radio programme and podcast, has made it crystal clear that gender identity trumps fairness when it comes to sport.

Unfortunately I'm not tech savvy enough to clip the relevant section from the show directly, but plenty of other have, including Triggernometry presenter Konstantin Kisin, who Tweeted about it. You can see the video on his Twitter page:

https://twitter.com/KonstantinKisin/status/1662390264005120001?t=3-gYh1LvSAt93Fh1N68boA&s=19

Emma has not backed down from her comments and has since mocked "terfs" for being "triggered" by her, declaring that "gender affirming care" for minors would solve all of the problems anyway:

https://twitter.com/EmmaVigeland/status/1662491715352010752

Emma has unequivocally declared that she is right on this issue.

Fascinating to see any pretence that the subject is "complicated" has gone - no, if a person with a penis wants to compete in women's sports, then that takes priority over everything else, including fairness.

As a side note, she used to be a presenter on The Young Turks and made a (very) half-hearted attempt to defend her former colleague Ana Kasparian last month after Ana lost patience with being referred to as a "birthing person". (Interestingly, Ana hasn't retreated from her own comments either.)

https://twitter.com/KonstantinKisin/status/1662390264005120001?s=19&t=3-gYh1LvSAt93Fh1N68boA

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BluebellBlueballs · 29/05/2023 09:15

midgemadgemodge · 29/05/2023 08:47

If I identify as the winner will I get the prize ?

We had someone ask something similar on the cycling thread yesterday and concluded that this would result in many people identifying as the gold medal winner and all rushing to the podium at the same time, unfortunately only the fastest would get there first. 😂

FrancescaContini · 29/05/2023 09:13

Thank you for the video clip. It made me laugh actually - she’s channeling her inner Verruca Salt. Classic case of someone who has no valid points to make who just raises her voice, swears and starts sounding aggressive.

She’s very immature and is embarrassing to watch. Own goal, I’d say 👌

Helleofabore · 29/05/2023 09:12

OCarumba · 29/05/2023 08:19

Who even are these people? Why amplify their voices?

it is not amplifying her voice. It is watching the latest twists in the arguments presented. This is just the latest twist that is reaching its crescendo. This is the extreme inclusion point of view.

miri1985 · 29/05/2023 09:11

If inclusion is more important than fairness then I think Emma should give up her job and allow a random trans woman to take her job

Dibbydoos · 29/05/2023 09:10

She can have whatever option she wants, but her views aren't the law. Justice will prevail here. were is no doubt a transgender woman will have advantages over a woman, so they can't compere against each other. A man will have advantages over a transgender man so they can't compere together either.

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EdgeOfACoin · 29/05/2023 09:08

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 29/05/2023 08:52

I think the operative words in that clip are
‘I don’t give a shit’

that woman doesn’t care about sport and is incapable of empathy for women who do

Oh no, wait! She does care about sports! She has her own sports show!

Seriously.

https://twitter.com/esvnshow?lang=en

😂

I'd completely forgotten!

https://twitter.com/esvnshow?lang=en

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Righthandcider · 29/05/2023 09:05

Let's say the world decides Emma's right. Women's sports are open to bio males.
A sufficient number of male athletes identify their way in to make participation pointless for actual women.
Women's sports dwindle and the chaps lose their chance to "shine".
What will Emma do then? Support a campaign to compel women to compete against men for their gratification and affirmation?
Perhaps there will be prison-like facilities where female athletes are detained and forced to compete against men.

Margrethe · 29/05/2023 08:58

MargotBamborough · 29/05/2023 08:56

The gender ideology movement has reached the "we've all had enough of experts" and "fuck business" stage of the debate.

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😂

So well put!

Who is Emma?

MargotBamborough · 29/05/2023 08:56

waterlego · 29/05/2023 07:26

Wow. Stupid and angry.

As you say, it’s interesting to see a move away from ‘it’s complicated’ or ‘let’s wait for more evidence’ to just ‘Science can fuck off. Yes, it might not be fair but I don’t care’

The gender ideology movement has reached the "we've all had enough of experts" and "fuck business" stage of the debate.

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BernardBlacksMolluscs · 29/05/2023 08:52

I think the operative words in that clip are
‘I don’t give a shit’

that woman doesn’t care about sport and is incapable of empathy for women who do

nilsmousehammer · 29/05/2023 08:47

This would be why Emma is not in charge of making decisions that require sanity and a sense of responsibility. Emma can think what Emma likes. Men have no place in women's sports and Emma is rather demonstrating her personal limitations by implying that she is the only woman on the planet that those rights affect and that every other woman is a carbon copy of Emma. It's all a bit Let Them Eat Cake. But I'm sure she's enjoying the good girl cookies, head pats and lovely warm glow of naive virtue.

midgemadgemodge · 29/05/2023 08:47

If I identify as the winner will I get the prize ?

Musomama1 · 29/05/2023 08:44

Why do male feelings count above women's?

Does the male category remain unhampered?

Go on Emma, please explain why men should have access to fair sport, but not women?

Why should the rest of the world agree with your opinion, which is only an opinion / belief, you say yourself it's unscientific?

PonyPatter44 · 29/05/2023 08:42

Can't we just turn it round and say, who gives a shit about these muppets pretending to be journalists? They're paedophile apologists facilitating the sterilisation of vulnerable children, and they are WRONG.

RufustheSpecuIatingreindeer · 29/05/2023 08:40

waterlego · 29/05/2023 07:26

Wow. Stupid and angry.

As you say, it’s interesting to see a move away from ‘it’s complicated’ or ‘let’s wait for more evidence’ to just ‘Science can fuck off. Yes, it might not be fair but I don’t care’

This

im not ‘triggered’ by her…i just think she’s a bit stupid

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EdgeOfACoin · 29/05/2023 08:34

I agree that the children who physically transition as minors will have so many health problems that competitive sports is unlikely to be an option for them at a higher level.

So yes, transitioning minors will "solve" some of the problems but not in the way that Emma thinks it will.

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EdgeOfACoin · 29/05/2023 08:32

OCarumba · 29/05/2023 08:19

Who even are these people? Why amplify their voices?

It's to show the intellectual bankruptcy of their arguments.

And to show how, at the end of the day, the "it's complicated" position is not even sincerely believed by those who advocate for the inclusion of male-bodied people in women's sports.

As for "who are they?", they have a fairly big platform on new media. Plenty of people follow them.

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endofthelinefinally · 29/05/2023 08:27

NotBadConsidering · 29/05/2023 08:10

Gender affirming care for children will in no way “solve” the problem because as adults, they will be too busy dealing with the ill health that no puberty, wrong sex hormones and surgery has done to their bodies to be anywhere near any form of competitive sport.

People really have no idea what damage this pathway does to children, do they?

You can’t make the Olympics with spinal fractures from osteoporosis FFS.

This. It is all so stupid and dangerous.
There was a woman waxing lyrical on LBC about her trans daughter ( born male) who had had the puberty blockers and surgery, she was being fawned over by the female presenter and all I could think of was poor Jazz Jennings. These poor children are going to suffer so much pain and disability.

MargotBamborough · 29/05/2023 08:21

I have no idea who Emma is but she is clearly an absolute twat.

OCarumba · 29/05/2023 08:19

Who even are these people? Why amplify their voices?

SidewaysOtter · 29/05/2023 08:16

Just goes to show that when reality catches up with them all they’ve got is mad ranting.

NotBadConsidering · 29/05/2023 08:10

Gender affirming care for children will in no way “solve” the problem because as adults, they will be too busy dealing with the ill health that no puberty, wrong sex hormones and surgery has done to their bodies to be anywhere near any form of competitive sport.

People really have no idea what damage this pathway does to children, do they?

You can’t make the Olympics with spinal fractures from osteoporosis FFS.

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EdgeOfACoin · 29/05/2023 08:10

Helleofabore · 29/05/2023 08:05

When I saw this, I thought it was parody. I hav enough idea who she is or the group is. She came across as being ridiculous, like a child repeating a mantra.

And a tool for the patriarchy with her rant about how women’s sport was so new anyway, so it shouldn’t matter.

Nope, not a parody, sadly!

Just someone who perfectly illustrates the saying "don't be so open minded that your brains fall out."

I used to see her on The Young Turks from time to time. Often didn't agree with her, but didn't realise she was a complete idiot.

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Helleofabore · 29/05/2023 08:05

When I saw this, I thought it was parody. I hav enough idea who she is or the group is. She came across as being ridiculous, like a child repeating a mantra.

And a tool for the patriarchy with her rant about how women’s sport was so new anyway, so it shouldn’t matter.