"Lesbians being anti-trans is a lesbophobic trope"

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@MargotBamborough
It doesn't fulfill the same function. Why not call it something else? It's no more a vagina than it is an anus.

How about a validatemegina?

I am so tired of being scolded for insufficient respect towards a political movement that calls women all kinds of names and will laugh in your face at the idea that they might need to apologise or be considerate.

Women do not owe deference to men. Women do not owe standards of behaviour to men while men get to freely treat them like shit. Women are not subhuman service units.

It doesn't fulfill the same function. Why not call it something else? It's no more a vagina than it is an anus.

@aseriesofstillimages
Personally I don’t find it insulting. It’s an artificial vagina, like an artificial leg, or nose, or eye. It doesn’t have the same functionality as the real article, but it fulfils a function.

What function would that be then?
In your example an artifical leg would help someone walk. An artifical nose or eye would be purely cosmetic, until perhaps science can create sensors and link them to the brain. But a cosmetic nose or eye are on display at all times as a part of the human face.
What function does a surgically created hole perform in a male where his penis and testacles used to be?

Thank you, I appreciate that

Personally I don’t find it insulting. It’s an artificial vagina, like an artificial leg, or nose, or eye. It doesn’t have the same functionality as the real article, but it fulfils a function.

I admit I was a bit rude about these men's extreme body modifications but the appropriation gets me so angry and frustrated. However I will try to moderate my language in future. My apologies to all who I upset with my choice of words.

This. It’s essentially misogynistic to reduce a vagina, an actual human organ, a complicated self-cleaning canal between the vulva and cervix, with many functions, to a hole for dicks to go in. And that’s what transwomen think it is - that is all they end up with after surgery but it’s not and never will be a vagina. Like they are not and never shall be women.

I agree the language used goes further than is really necessary, but it is insulting to describe what they have as a vagina. It implies that they think a vagina is just a hole. It shows very little understanding of or respect for the female body.

I don’t think someone who says it’s an insult that trans women think their “surgically constructed rot pockets” or “festering holes” are anything like vaginas has any sympathy for trans women as human beings, do you? By pp I meant @zibzibara not @Jonei

I don't know about you, but I'm perfectly capable of finding someone's political or social views misguided, socially damaging even, but still feel sympathy for them as a human being.

Another key issue with this ideology that does not seem possible to compute when discussed:

To what extent is it acceptable to use other humans as props and tools in a personal agenda, without their consent?

To attempt to force their consent?

When the agenda includes using them for sexual experiences?

Does someone who is trans have a special exception or excuse to treat others in this way and expect not to encounter the word 'no'?

Do some humans have a right to consent and others not?

I am not convinced the pp’s concern here is really for trans women themselves

Yes, it can go wrong, have complications, or not lead to a result the person expected. But some people are very happy with the results and have no regrets. Referring in general terms to a part of other people’s bodies as a ‘festering hole’ is clearly not acceptable.

To be honest, there has been some terrible terrible consequences of people having this surgery. And sometimes this can happen, particularly when there is internal pubic hair, or poo. It's not nice, for the person, to have to experience this. I would advise transwomen to consider very carefully before embarking down this road, in case they end up with a botched surgery that they themselves may well describe as festering 😢

People really should educate themselves properly before embarking on a process from which there is no return.

The issue is the transwomen (men) who are sexually attracted to women get their high and validation from violating our boundaries.
Their 'gender euphoria ' aka sexual excitement will deflate by using the men's or unisex.
So it's a zero sum game and all transwomen, even the 'old-fashioned kind ones', need to be ejected.

Quite right - referring to part of another person’s body as a “festering hole” makes me feel sick too.

There appears from the evidence to be a lot of people without capacity to take on board that things do not work for other people, that other people have rights too, that other people are human too. It just does not compute. It does not enter onto the radar

that is exactly the problem.

Having just seen the twitter video of the female person screaming into a microphone repeatedly with rage that law makers in the states have enforced single sex spaces, and the framing of this as horror that trans people cannot use the spaces of their choice....?

There appears from the evidence to be a lot of people without capacity to take on board that things do not work for other people, that other people have rights too, that other people are human too. It just does not compute. It does not enter onto the radar. And the passionate screaming and 'I hate you!' with a total lack of awareness that they are in a public place in full view, it looks like a very, very large toddler encountering the word 'no' demonstrates the barrier even further. Negotiation is being repeatedly tried, it has been here for years, 13 pages of it here. All that remains when that fails, is firm boundaries.

They don’t care. Why should they listen to women (even repeatedly) telling them to stop using a term that is (intentionally) dehumanising and dismissive?

Policing other people’s language and thought? Yes. Absolutely. But there’s no need for them to treat non-compliant women with any basic respect, is there?

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So then why ban lesbians from a dating site just for saying, "biological females only"?

It's not transphobic but women need to be banned from the site for saying it for some other reason?

Then neither of you are paying attention (or you metaphorically have your hands over your ears shouting la la la).
It is everywhere.

You have also been asked previously not to use the term gender criticals