"Lesbians being anti-trans is a lesbophobic trope"

Ah ok, well if she is attracted to women and born males who identify as women, then she would be bisexual. Not a lesbian. Lesbians are same sex attracted.

Maybe she’s internalised the idea that she’ll be a hateful bigot if she does anything but welcome biological men into the ‘lesbian’ community.

Trans women who are attracted to women are straight men and in no way part of the LGB community.

It’s ridiculous that this article is basically saying that the association of lesbianism with sexual attraction to female people is dangerous and it’s stopping lesbians from coming out.

Maybe the author could consider how her insistence that being an actual lesbian (in the homosexual sense) is transphobic and that real lesbians - nice lesbians - have sex with people with penises is itself likely to be putting lesbians off coming out.

internalised homophobia and self-flagellation in the name of ‘transphobia’ is a horrible thing to be promoting in lesbians.

I’ve never asked her who she has dated or would date, all I know is that she’s a lesbian, and is happy to regard trans women who are attracted to other women as part of her community.

A female that is happy with dating either sex is called a bisexual. Not a lesbian.

Replacing "same-sex attraction" with "same-gender attraction", as Stonewall do, is entirely homophobic.

A woman. No need for a prefix. Adult human female.

Grow up

"cis" - snigger

She is a cisgender woman

Is this lesbian a female one or a male one?

It doesn’t sound like you’re familiar with the campaign - it’s primarily focused on the fact that two women in a relationship have to go through a number of paid-for rounds of IUI before they can have IVF on the NHS, while a man and a woman can have IVF on the NHS as long as they’ve been trying to conceive (at zero cost) for a certain length of time.

I'll add I'm not sure of the point of this.

Currently men have forced their way into women's spaces and just plain made women deal with it (and everything those men choose to do) or be excluded.

You cannot exclude homosexual women from lesbianism though. Whatever you say or try to bend it into meaning in your posts here and in your own mind, however much you exhort me to consider sex I really don't want with people I'm not at all attracted to as some kind of bizarre sex based social duty, you do realise the majority of us will just be quietly cracking on with being homosexually female? And perfectly clear that this is always and only exclusively going to mean other biological females. Since that's what homosexual means.

No one will be popping round to check up on me and confiscate my lesbian licence. Because that would be even weirder than trying to nag homosexual people into unwanted straight sex.

I’ve noticed that tik tok is currently awash with American gender ideologists redefining lesbians (i wish I were kidding) ‘non-men who are sexually attracted to non-men’. And claiming anyone who objects is transphobic.

It’s unbelievable that a men’s rights activist activity that seeks to coerce lesbians into having sex with biological males and vilifies anyone who objects to this is being presented as anything other than extremely nasty misogyny. It amazes me that people presenting biological
males redefining lesbianism to gain sexual access to women’s bodies as ‘social justice’.

Maybe being ‘transphobic’ isn’t the worst thing imaginable. If not wanting to have sex with biological men is ‘transphobic’, maybe we should be viewing it as extremely positive for lesbians to embrace that.

Yeah I see we're still on 'being homosexual is like not sleeping with black people' (I mean wtf, black people always weaponised in this racist way to leverage the Martin Luther vibe) and 'nice lesbians do sex with men/all the lesbians I know are doing it'. Oh and 'along side the above I identify as no homophobia to lesbians is happening. Including identifying as the threads with it on, including this one, not having happened.'

Bloody lala land.

This does not follow:

”The judge at AB's employment tribunal found that everything Allison had said about Stonewall was part of her protected belief, therefore worthy of respect in a democratic society, which wouldn't be the case if anything Allison had said about Stonewall was ''anti-trans''

The threshold is actually very low - homophobic, transphobic, sexist and racist views can be protected, and regarded as “worthy of respect in a democratic society” for that purpose.

When Stonewall says 'women' they usually mean men. So SW is campaigning on behalf of homosexual couples, it's just that they've reversed the sexes. Most "inclusively", they're also campaigning for heterosexual couples who have destroyed their fertility through hormones and/or surgery.

So why are they campaigning for women in same sex relationships to have access to IVF on the NHS on equivalent terms to opposite sec couples?

Yup

Does anybody know a lesbian who identifies as "same gender attracted"?

Well, pro-women = anti-trans. Lesbians are unarguably pro-women.

So, yes, by one of the many definitions of anti-trans - all of which are set by transactivists - they are. Enjoy your resentment.

Consider this:
You love bacon sandwiches and don't like cake, or any sweet food.
It becomes fashionable to say a bacon sandwich is a cake.
You're not anti-cake, you just don't like them for yourself.
People keep pressing cake on you: "You love cake!"
You try to explain you don't like that sort of cake.
You are derided - "Victoria sandwich, bacon sandwich, what's the difference?!"
Trying a different tack, you request a bacon cake.
The unfortunate result is a vanilla sponge layered with jam, cream & bacon.
"You can't tell the difference," they jeer, "It's a sandwich. With bacon."
Patiently, you explain you like your bacon between slices of bread, not cake ...
And that's it, you're done for. "BIGOT!" they scream; "Anti-cake monster!"

So what do you do?
Mount a campaign for the return of the old, "normal" and "accurate" (bigot!) definitions of cake and sandwich?
Or do you eagerly embrace the Victoria Bacon Cake as your newly preferred food, consigning the cake previously known as a bacon sandwich to a murky history you'd rather not revisit?
I hardly need to tell you that even admitting you once enjoyed bacon sandwiches is social death. You'll just about get away with it if you refer to them as cakes and emphasise that you didn't know any better back then.

I realise this doesn't work perfectly, but I typed it so I'll post it 🥓😏

I think this helps give another viewpoint to the "gay people are anti-trans" trope that is often used by the LGB-Alliance and Julie Bindel etc.

The what, now?

Oh, and Stonewall isn't an "LGBT" charity, it's a QT organisation

There is no "gay people are anti-trans" trope that is often used by the LGB-Alliance and Julie Bindel etc"