"Lesbians being anti-trans is a lesbophobic trope"

Most lesbians do not want to have sex with men. But it's the straight women largely who are anti trans.

Let's try and clear something up......I'm a lesbian, i'm an adult human female that is attracted only to adult human females.
There are no other types of lesbians, no man pretending to be a woman or trans woman can be a lesbian no matter how much they scream and stamp their feet like a 2 year old.

This nonsense needs to be put to bed.

I feel sorry for genuine trans people who are just living their life quietly and without drama.

Not the actual Human League, in case their lawyers are reading!

Let’s see what the Human League have to say about this:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3HVw0pSdvyQ

@howdoesatoastermaketoast That will teach me to be specific when I ask a question. By lesbian I meant female and lesbian. You have given two examples of transwomen and a wife coerced into accepting the label of lesbian.

thank you I believe that was a super helpful contribution

@MerlinsLostMarbles

There have been a number of cases recently in which members of the public have libeled people online and lost a lot of money.

I would strongly recommend you ask for this thread to be withdrawn, or at least amend your first paragraph.

She's doing anecdata on behalf of the Queerios. I know scores of women who don't believe TWAW and don't want men anywhere near them. Depends who you ask, but how interesting the ones accepting dick are the ones getting society's approval.

But that coupled with a constant barrage of negative media headlines, politicians being interrogated on their definitions of what makes a woman (why are we even asking men to define women anyway?

We are asking politicians who are proposing law and policy based on TWAW. Given that, it is entirely reasonable to ask them 'what a woman is' being as they want to include men who identify as women into the women category in all instances.

Oh and I just thought of another one, she married a woman before transition and they got divorced but kept the relationship going eventually moving back in together. The TW's wife would eyeroll when called a Lesbian but eventually stopped disagreeing.

Using the prefix 'cis' is deeply offensive to me and to many gc women, @aseriesofstillimages. I am an adult, human female - we are the default, the original - and I do not accept being defined as belonging to a subset of womanhood.

Sexual racists! I've heard it all now. And will straight men ever be labelled sexual racists for not sleeping with gay men? No they won't be.

yes but weirdly she had also decided I was 'the man' and she was 'the lady' on the date I didn't know we were having. It was awkward for both of us.

I'm not a lesbian but I don't think that particularly matters in this example.

I was called transphobic for not wanting to have sex with a transwoman who had retained their penis.

Just for those who say I never happens.

On Tinder. About 4/5 years ago (I'm partnered up now, with a heterosexual man)

I believed transwomen were all a kind of gay men, and therefore transwomen in a bar / dating app etc. would be interested in dating other transwomen or gay men. I was wrong, and I accept I was wrong but it is a common misconception. I believed this until I met one who wasn't in person, up until then I was completely comfortable with transwomen in gay clubs etc.

@MerlinsLostMarbles "noone is being called "anti trans" or "transphobic" for who they do or don't want to sleep with."

I will accept that it is so hard to believe that any reasonable person would tend to not believe it until it happened to them.

that is not true, would you like receipts?

Lesbian is a word that used to mean homosexual women but now does not, some people including some lesbians are annoyed by that as having words to describe yourself and your sexual orientation seem a pretty key right.

I don't accept that that annoyance is anti-trans. I also don't accept that anyone owes sex to someone else to make them feel pretty and accepted.

You seem to be in with the cool kids so let me ask you your advice I think the 'best' word available is pansexual but do correct me if you disagree... what do you call someone who is:

who is sexually attracted to transmen, afab enbies, cis women, (women who would just call themselves women as they aren't familiar with gender ideology and women who prefer to be called women because they reject gender ideology)

@MerlinsLostMarbles OP have you missed the fact that the CEO of “lesbian” dating app HER has said that any poster who puts anything “exclusionary” in their bio, like wanting only to match with biological women, is to be chucked off the app for not including transwomen in their possible matches? Seems pretty much like dictating who lesbians should sleep with to me. No?

Or is the idea that lesbians can sleep with who they like — eg. other biological women — but just aren’t allowed to say that’s what they prefer? In which case, what’s the difference from the old homophobic injunction of “don’t ask don’t tell”; the love that dare not speak its name; do what you like but just don’t dare talk about it in case it offends men and righteous society, and so on?

Live a lie, in other words? How is that not homophobic? And if gay men aren’t subject to the same injunctions, how is that not deeply misogynist as well?

So which is it? Lesbians aren’t allowed sexual agency; or they are but they just aren’t allowed to talk about it? Which brand of homophobic misogyny is it; the former or the latter? Or both, just for good measure?

Amy writes:
But that coupled with a constant barrage of negative media headlines, politicians being interrogated on their definitions of what makes a woman (why are we even asking men to define women anyway?

More to the point, why are we even allowing men to define themselves as women?

Lost marbles are you a lesbian? Because I am and I can assure you I have been called anti trans for refusing to date someone with a penis who identifies as a woman. So please don’t assume you can say that this isn’t happening it is!

Amy properly skirts around every thing in that article. It says nothing really, just that 18 to 24 year olds support trans people.

That's so vague it's meaningless, and Amy says absolutely nothing about her own personal life which is a wonderful and sensible approach, because it's private.

The Amy's of this world have little wiggle room for honesty in the 2020s which is an interesting thing in itself.

Fortunately older people who do know what words mean are able to push back whether Amy wants us to or not.

It's a funny old pastime, showing up on Mumsnet to moan at mums for not agreeing men are women!

That would not surprise me in the least.

Then they're either bisexual or heterosexual, but not a lesbian by any reasonable (i.e. not Stonewalled) definition.

Just checking, am I right that the dynamic on this thread is a poster who is not a lesbian is telling other posters who are lesbians that they are lesbianing wrong?