"Lesbians being anti-trans is a lesbophobic trope"

So that threw a bit of wood on the fire.

I'm not a lesbian so I don't have an immediate dog in the fight.. but I do have an involvement by extension. How should I respond to an approach by a transman who has no bodily modification? I have no sexual interest in your vulva, clitoris, labia or vagina. Does that make me transphobic?

Dennis Riley is one infamous example of this, with his video src="https://www.youtube-nocookie.com/embed/k5GYlZKfBmI&app=desktop" frameborder="0" allow="accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture" allowfullscreen> Are genital preferences transphobic? where he tries to shame lesbians for not being interested in the penises of men who call themselves women.

@CoozudBoyuPuak yes I think that's a good way to explain it

completely agree if you're trying to explain to lesbians why they'll enjoy playing with a penis you are on the wrong side of this issue.

Bisexual people exist and they are not morally superior due to their open mindedness. Neither are they inferior in any way that would suggest saying if a person is happy to sleep with (some) people who are males and (some) people who are females they are bisexual would be an insult.

Here you go. Some examples.
You're welcome.

https://reduxx.info/from-her-to-him-the-downfall-of-a-lesbian-dating-app/

Just remembered who the 'apartheid' idiot from Garden Court Chambers was. Cathryn McGahey. This was another gem from her:

"You can persuade a lesbian that she might want to - that she could want to - have sex with a trans woman in a way that was not coercive."

'Persuade' a lesbian that maybe she'd like to give cock a try. As if 'persuade' sounds any better than 'coerce'.

We used to call shit like that conversion therapy.

I don't think that feeling an initial rush of attraction to someone who is the opposite sex to the one you are attracted to, but who presents really well as a member of the sex you are attracted to, makes you instantly forfeit your previously-held sexuality and adopt bisexuality. Especially if the facsimile is convincing at first glance. It's possible to be fooled for a moment.

But if once the truth was revealed and it was clear that, in the event that you had sexual intercourse, it would be with someone with the other kind of genitals than the type you generally deal with, that's the point at which you are deciding for yourself whether you are bi, or bi-curious. And of course there's nothing wrong with being bi, it's just not the same as being either heterosexual or homosexual. If in that circumstance your response is "actually, no thanks" then no worries, no change.

There is nothing anti-trans in defining lesbian and gay as same-sex attraction.

But you already knew that. You're just here to stir the pot.

I think I had it about 4 times in the space of a month on lesbian dating apps.

It was not nice. I'm single now because I can't take the pushy manipulation of men when I try.

I don't know how female born real lesbians date but they clearly have left the apps

ok I'll have a go
vegan is a word that means a person who doesn't eat any animal products
vegetarian is a word that means that a person doesn't eat meat or fish but do eat things like dairy product and eggs
Some people eat no meat but do eat fish and shellfish
Some people eat no red meat but do eat white meat and fish
Some people eat most meat but not that particular meat e.g pork / beef
Some people eat all sorts of meat but are super horrified that anyone eats horse or dog because they don't see those animals as food animals.

All of the above people exist and are fine, the range of diets humans follow is extremely varied. Almost every person who would say that they are following a vegetarian or vegan diet have at some stage eaten something that contained an ingredient that wasn't. And that's ok too. People aren't obliged to be perfect vegans to be vegans.

Nevertheless the words vegetarian and vegan are super helpful to people who are following a vegan or vegetarian diet in explaining what they do and don't eat. It can be annoying to be told you should be alright with the tuna sandwich because the aunt (or whoever) knows a vegetarian who eats fish.

you do you, fancy who you fancy, sleep with any consenting adult that'll have you and floats your boat

But tasty as it looks the black forest gateaux actually does contain gelatine eggs milk and cream and isn't vegan. If you want to eat it go ahead though.

At this point starting around 2015 with the colonization of men in Lesbian spaces I can firmly say as a Lesbian;
I want nothing to do with trans people.

My sole interest is in women's rights and wellbeing, of which Lesbians are a subset

Sexual racist Nancy Kelly?

Here we have in real time the problem that arises when people think men can turn into actual women.

Transwomen are male. That's why they are called trans in the first place.

Some women would date a transwoman, but that makes them bisexual, because in the real world there are two sexes.

The mental gymnastics these people need is exhausting to think about.

Yes. She says twaw and are lesbians if they say they are, and that she's same gender attracted, but her current and previous girlfriends have all been female. What are the odds?!

The hydra. I knew there was an analogy, just couldn't think of it.

Haven't RTFT (is that the right acronym?) I try to before posting as a rule, but just wanted to explore the trend as below.

And concluded

It's pretty Kafkaesque.

1) Lesbian sexuality is denied/rejected (as a "threat" to society).
2) Lesbians fight for their sexuality to be recognised.
3) Lesbians win recognition.
4) Lesbian sexuality is denied/rejected (as a "threat" to trans ideology).
5) Lesbians fight for their sexuality to be recognised.
6) Lesbians win recognition.
7) Lesbian sexuality is denied/rejected (as a "threat" to lesbian rights).

The progression through 1, 4, and 7 is interesting. "Plus ça change" - under the veil of "progressive" values.

It's clever at least, I'll give it that...

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Perhaps you need to be less biphobic?

Yep.

That is actually a diet - I know someone who's basic rule was "nothing that looks too much like a piece of animal", so burgers and sausages and bacon were in, but nothing less processed than that. Nothing with a chewy meaty texture. And that person did eat a lot of vegetarian food as a result, and often would request a vegetarian option to be on the safe side. But obviously she knew she wasn't a vegetarian.

And the previous poster here is exactly like that - bisexual but "no-one that looks too much like a man". But with the actual delusional step of wanting to pretend it's really no men.

NecessaryScene 🤣

It's odd how you only have these daft conversations about sex.

Or maybe there is a forum somewhere where someone who loves sausages is insisting they're a vegetarian, and that sausages don't count because they don't look sufficiently like meat...

I'm not straight.
You do make a lot of assumptions. Including guessing the meaning of words rather than actually knowing the meaning.

What can I say but ha ha ha to the OP. I'm a lesbian and men, whatever hormones they say they're taking, whatever surgery they've had/ are going to have, whatever feelings they have in their head, whatever fetishes, just don't register with me. They were born men, are still men and always will be men so no, I'm not attracted to them. And coercion won't work