"Lesbians being anti-trans is a lesbophobic trope"

Any lawyers here per chance? I would be interested in what the British law says about "trans hunting" ie people going out of their way to stalk transpeople who are doing nothing wrong then posting them online inviting others to harass and abuse them.

So lets get this straight you are upset that some males are mocking other males for using lesbian dating apps but not for the lesbians who've lost their space in the first place? Sounds about right.

I'm not sure what the Gender Critical aim or point is here? The transwomen using the app aren't doing anything wrong so the gender critical cis men are just signing up to troll and stalk?

the transwomen using the app aren't doing anything wrong ....

Well that's your opinion. My opinion is that heterosexual males have no place on a lesbian dating app, no matter how the identify.

How can one tell the difference between a TW who is claiming to be a lesbian and any other male who is claiming to be a lesbian, other than potentially make up and clothes? That's the entire point isn't it. It is making a mockery of lesbians. Lesbian erasure. The only people who are lesbians are single sex attracted females.

Anyone who thinks that this is OK is a homophobe and is anti women.

@nilsmousehammer - the last sentence of your post struck straight to the heart of the issue. The TRAs pushing this agenda do not think women are human - we are some sort of sub species (even within womanhood, we are reduced to a subset of women by being called cis). They, and their handmaidens to not give one tiny, shiny shite about the damage they are doing to women, and the way they are destroying the work of feminists over so many years.

I can't put into words how angry and frustrated this makes me.

Spot on. How about us saying "Woman exist and have rights too! #NoDebate." Oh, and if TRAs say this means they're being "silenced", we can respond "You're not being silenced by your speaking events being illegally cancelled, and your journalists and academics being bullied out of their jobs, and your peaceful meetings being disrupted by men wearing masks and waving signs calling for your rape and beheading, and your tweets being maliciously reported, and your charities being vexatiously sued, and your spaces beings invaded by criminals, and your leaders being violently attacked, because look, you're able to complain about it! How can you be silenced if you're able to cry out against our assaults?!" That's how it works, right, @MerlinsLostMarbles?

It's amazing isn't it?

These inclusive women's spaces are a wonderful victory of right side of history and progress (except for the vulnerable women we've excluded from their previously accessible space and left without anything at all)

and

The wonderful, new and so very much better lesbianism with penis which is a total success! (Except for the homosexual women we've driven under ground and out of sight who are having to lesbian secretly)

Oh this brave new world advancing strongly to the rear.

Why shouldn't GC men point out the idiocy that is men claiming to be lesbians?

It's no different to the power lifting coaches entering as women to point out the idiocy of men competing in women's sports. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11918455/Male-powerlifter-protests-Canadas-self-ID-rules-entering-female-contest-smashing-record.html

The whole thing is a farce. Men cannot be lesbians. Men cannot be women. Males who use gender identity to enter female sports are cheats. Males who use gender identity to attempt to coerce lesbians are [insert choice of word as I don't want a ban].

The whole house of cards needs to come tumbling down and quickly. And it would if women were treated as fully human.

I read about those straight GC males finding each other amidst the other hairy transwomen (males )on HER and laughed as the place is a total sausage - fest.
I can tell you, without revealing details, that young lesbians are making their own quiet groups, finding each other and sharing female only spaces.

Up for debate, not update.

I see it's the usual kind of 'conversation' where information is plopped.

Women point out the issues with the information.

The OP totally ignores all that, and just plops something different.

Whatever. Be as homophobic as floats your boat, I can cope with their being people in the world who aren't all about me and thinking exactly what I think without screaming for Mummy and the police. But the whole 'all the nice lesbians are doing it' and 'just go set up a nasty homosexual females who won't do men group if you won't get with the new programme' and the particularly pernicious and awful 'learn to cope (with unwanted sex, for the benefit of men, as some kind of bizarre and sociopathic social duty, because sex isn't for you to enjoy, it's a service you owe to the penis)' ..... yeah, have fun with that. Preferably a very long way from me. I'm not going to be 'educated' to the point of going 'wow that's a good idea, line up the men!' any more than I could educate the OP into managing to see females as actually human.

It's women's existence as a class that is up for update: we are supposed to centre men in feminism, include men in single sex spaces and change the meaning of the word "woman" to include men.

That is quite funny.

But I assume by "failed" you mean they didn't find anyone else?

So are you saying there are no remaining transwomen/men on Her? The problem's solved?

What is your point?

We already know the app welcomes born males who identify as lesbians. And these born males are using the app.

Although your links do highlight that it's very difficult to tell the difference between born males identifying as women and born males pretending to identify as women.

There is a reason for that of course...

Well I'm not, I meant every word I said.

That is disgusting, dehumanising language and you should be ashamed.

God this thread is predictable isn't it.

Privileged male wants women to step aside and change the meaning of words to include them.

Women say no.

Male won't take no for an answer.

It's all so rapey when it comes down to it. And homophobic.

Being homophobic is fine according to them, not giving males what they want is bigoted.

To all of the lesbians on this thread solidarity. Most decent people know that men can never be lesbians, not even if they really really really want to.

Yes. It’s a clear deflection tactic.

No one is debating their existence. Trans people existing (rather than being mere myths and fictions) is not what anyone is talking about when they’re discussing single sex provision.

Everything gets transferred to an existential (often utterly solipsistic) terrain to try to avoid having to make a good argument.

Yes seems good to maybe turn the rhetoric around on them.

Personally I think if their "existence" isn't "up for debate", and of course what they mean by that is that TWAW and TMAM, they have simply given up the right to be taken seriously.

You're going to make a bizarre and implausible claim and then refuse to defend it? That's fine. It can just be ignored then.

The "my existence isn't up for debate", like the new, "that's a dog whistle question", is just another way of saying, "Well obviously I don't have an argument / can't answer the question".

I'm getting a bit sick of hearing that trans people's existence isn't up for debate (as if their existence was what we were debating), and also that women must give up their right to exist in law and language (i.e. as a category of biologically female people) without a debate.

It's all a bit "heads I win, tails you lose", isn't it?

Why don't we get to say, "The word woman is taken, it means biologically female people, and women's spaces and sports are for women only, so get your own word and your own spaces and sports because our existence is not up for debate."

I tried to check the polling itself, but apparently the report is waiting to be published.

Anyway, the argument is being made:

Three quarters (74%) of those who say they are not supportive of trans people don’t even know a trans person in real life. Transphobia really is rooted in a fear of the unknown.

How does this follow? You could just as well argue something like, people that do know a trans person, are more likely to be under social pressure to believe a crazy idea like TWAW. Knowing a trans person doesn't mean you are necessarily more likely to have the correct answer here. And actually you could be biased in a bad, reality-denying direction.

People know a trans-woman, so they correctly know that they don't have any unfair advantages in sports? It seems far more plausible that knowing a trans woman would possibly distort your thinking out of a desire to "be kind", and you therefore wrongly overlook the unfairness of trans women competing.

The polling about being "supportive" or "not supportive" is all rather vague in the first place. People could mean various different things.

and trans people being framed as a ‘debate’ for the dinner table, is a dangerous mix. Suddenly everyone feels the pressure, and the entitlement, to have an opinion on a topic they largely know nothing about.

Yes, it's very "entitled" of me to have an opinion about who is a woman or man. The average person just knows nothing about this. We all just need to defer to the wisdom of left-leaning journalists that the guy in a wig is definitely a woman.

The story is certainly framed in a biased way.

It never actually defines what "anti trans" means, and therefore the polling that it uses doesn't necessarily mean much.

Lesbians are supportive of trans people according to the polling. OK great, but they could still be in the "anti trans" category according to some people, if they have the wrong view about women's rights.