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"Lesbians being anti-trans is a lesbophobic trope"

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MerlinsLostMarbles · 01/05/2023 13:36

https://www.gaytimes.co.uk/originals/lesbians-are-not-anti-trans/

I think this helps give another viewpoint to the "gay people are anti-trans" trope that is often used by the LGB-Alliance and Julie Bindel etc.

Lesbians often have to put up with harmful stereotypes that may deter them from coming out, and in recent years the "lesbians are anti-trans" is another stereotype on top of the existing ones.

'Lesbians being anti-trans is a lesbophobic trope'

Amy Ashenden, Interim CEO of Just Like Us, is dispelling the harmful trope that lesbians are against the trans community. 

https://www.gaytimes.co.uk/originals/lesbians-are-not-anti-trans

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IcakethereforeIam · 24/01/2024 11:48

Probably, but i thInk at the moment we're just meant to feel ashamed.

Karensalright · 24/01/2024 11:20

Erm what is the point of them research, do they want to enshrine in law who we ought to fancy? Ffs

Ereshkigalangcleg · 24/01/2024 10:57

Surprisingly, among the 127 participants open to dating a trans person, almost half selected a trans person of a gender incongruent with their stated sexual orientation. For example, 50% of the trans-inclusive straight women and 28% of the trans-inclusive gay men were willing to date a trans woman, even though one wouldn’t expect either straight women or gay men to be attracted to women.

"Surprisingly"

Ereshkigalangcleg · 24/01/2024 10:56

Yes, you're right that's mostly about straight relationships. But some will be bisexual, yes.

TownGown · 24/01/2024 10:55

Ereshkigalangcleg · 24/01/2024 10:54

Yes, bisexuality is and always has been a thing.

Not sure what that has to do with trans women meeting cis women through lesbian dating apps?

theilltemperedclavecinist · 24/01/2024 10:55

Ereshkigalangcleg · 24/01/2024 10:36

The trans women I've seen on Twitter often talk about how they have no issue dating whomever they want to.

That's not borne out by the evidence.

https://www.them.us/story/cis-trans-dating

Surprisingly, among the 127 participants open to dating a trans person, almost half selected a trans person of a gender incongruent with their stated sexual orientation. For example, 50% of the trans-inclusive straight women and 28% of the trans-inclusive gay men were willing to date a trans woman, even though one wouldn’t expect either straight women or gay men to be attracted to women.

Oh now, I wonder why that might be...🙄

Ereshkigalangcleg · 24/01/2024 10:54

Yes, bisexuality is and always has been a thing.

TownGown · 24/01/2024 10:53

"Her" and its client base seem to be doing just fine...

https://twitter.com/HerSocialApp

https://twitter.com/HerSocialApp

Ereshkigalangcleg · 24/01/2024 10:36

The trans women I've seen on Twitter often talk about how they have no issue dating whomever they want to.

That's not borne out by the evidence.

https://www.them.us/story/cis-trans-dating

TownGown · 24/01/2024 10:31

piedbeauty · 15/06/2023 17:30

The LGB Alliance and Julie Bundle do not say that lesbians are anti-trans. What nonsense.

This is a view put forward by TRAs who are cross that lesbians don't want lady cock.

I think tbh it depends on how you talk to.

There is a lesbian dating app called Her that permits trans women, it has done so for like a decade and has made it clear they have no plans to change despite receiving criticism.

The trans women I've seen on Twitter often talk about how they have no issue dating whomever they want to.

Anna8089 · 23/01/2024 21:30

No they're not. She is lieing or you are, I do not know one lesbian who is fine with a man in a dress .

Karensalright · 22/11/2023 19:37

Just got deleted for using the shorthand as mentioned above so adding a jay to see how long that lasts, maybe resort to the you know oh just …. Long hand how tedious.

Maybe contact posie to get a t shirt made benefits to her??

Karensalright · 26/10/2023 18:43

Just dis my first official OFO on the Green Party thread in response to Stepheneee

feels both childish and good. Lol

Karensalright · 26/10/2023 18:41

@ArabeIIaScott

Ha ha

MargotBamborough · 26/10/2023 12:57

Karensalright · 26/10/2023 11:55

Just spotted an OFO on the Eddie Izzard thread.

That was me!

Karensalright · 26/10/2023 11:55

Just spotted an OFO on the Eddie Izzard thread.

howdoesatoastermaketoast · 26/10/2023 11:22

I believe that there should be t-shirts and badges made as soon as possible if not sooner

OFO is an absolute winner

IcakethereforeIam · 26/10/2023 10:12

There's a .gif 😀

Fuck Off Leave Me Alone GIF by ThePeopleWeHateAtTheWedding
Karensalright · 26/10/2023 09:48

Thats it then i am a Terfy OFO campaigner !!! I shall trawl posts in future ready and willing to OFO any cobblers i read

MargotBamborough · 26/10/2023 09:40

Karensalright · 25/10/2023 22:49

What is all of this nonsense - i have just had to wade through. (in an attempt not to live in an echo chamber) it just seems really obvious to me. Men are men , women are women. Gay and lesbians are same sex attracted.

Then there is all these other “others” psychiatric disorders i would say or just sexual kinks fine by me but nothing i want to know about.

to me it is obvious that certain Op’s are actually trans. I just don't buy that lesbians consider male bodies.

So to all my lesbian sisters out there (i am straight) don't bite such posts anymore. Post oh just fuck off - am happy to join an oh fuck off campaign

Hello Karen, congratulations, you're a TERF.

Tired of Explaining Reality to Fuckwits.

ArabeIIaScott · 26/10/2023 09:17

am happy to join an oh fuck off campaign

I am also very keen on an OFO campaign.

howdoesatoastermaketoast · 25/10/2023 23:09

@Karensalright You're absolutely right of course

the only way men can be lesbians is by redefining the word.

Some women made a reasonable point that a woman who is sexually attracted to women doesn't lose the right to call herself a lesbian because she slept with a tw. But it is generally unhelpful to lesbians to redefine the word they need to explain their sexual orientation and boundaries.

Karensalright · 25/10/2023 22:49

What is all of this nonsense - i have just had to wade through. (in an attempt not to live in an echo chamber) it just seems really obvious to me. Men are men , women are women. Gay and lesbians are same sex attracted.

Then there is all these other “others” psychiatric disorders i would say or just sexual kinks fine by me but nothing i want to know about.

to me it is obvious that certain Op’s are actually trans. I just don't buy that lesbians consider male bodies.

So to all my lesbian sisters out there (i am straight) don't bite such posts anymore. Post oh just fuck off - am happy to join an oh fuck off campaign

SpicyMoth · 25/10/2023 16:29

MerlinsLostMarbles · 01/05/2023 21:19

I've already answered this. Because of laws of consent any adult can accept or decline sex with any other consenting adult.

I've already made it clear that this isn't what the article is about and I'm unaware of anyone saying that this (a cis-woman declining sex with a transwoman) is "transphobic". The only people who seem to be saying this are gender critical people, not transpeople from what I've seen. Unless you could link me some examples?

@MerlinsLostMarbles
Out of curiosity how many examples of Trans Women accusing lesbians of being phobic for not wanting to sleep with them will it take for you to believe us when we say that it's the Trans Women who literally started this....?

Here's a video that shows more than one example, but as others have said, Riley Dennis was the most famous alongside Milo-whatever-his-name-was.

It was Trans Women saying and doing shit like this that skyrocketed Blaire White (a Trans Woman) to fame because even she was saying that Trans activism was going too far.
Buck Angel has also spoken up about this.

How many examples until you believe us?
How many examples until you see, the label of transphobic isn't coming from us but from Trans Women, and in fact we're trying to defend lesbians from that label?
How many examples until you can see that us fighting for it not to be transphobic to have "genital preferences" is not homophobic and is in fact the exact opposite of that?

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