Adult son's voting intentions-a little shocked.

My kids are not grown up but I have young adult nieces and nephews. All raised by headstrong women and in the main they seem to think trans people are just the latest group to come in for a kicking. They notice the word 'woke' used a great deal when particular topics come up, one being trans ideology. This has actually really been very important in them having the views that they have and more importantly I don't want them sticking their heads above the parapet.

I thought only students could vote from their parents address or where they Iive, they have a choice, we took DS off our address when he left university.

I don't have children. I made it clear my comment was based on observation of friends who've raised their children to be supportive of women's rights. Not all children feel the need to rebel against their parents. Many of the 20-somethings I know clearly respect their mothers and share their values and have seen straight through trans ideology and its misogyny.

Is it just down to luck? I don't know. If you've raised your children in a family with a strong feminist ethos perhaps they're better able to fend off the TRA lies and stand up to the social pressure to conform. I said early on in this thread that your attitude to not removing your son from the electoral register might offer a clue about how he'd been raised and I still think it does.

I agree OP that the Tories are probably going to win the next election. Heartbreaking, imo, given what they appear to value and promote.

I also agree that trans ideology seems to have a very tight grip on young people's hearts and minds. My ds is a young teen. He and his best friend are very bright, politically engaged and keen on equality and diversity; they have both been raised by feminist mothers who are hardly shy about expressing their opinions (!) Both of them are 100% supportive of trans rights.

The three of us recently had a discussion, instigated by the boys criticising and insulting JKR, in which I vocalised some gender critical arguments. At one point I said "But respecting trans rights in some contexts inevitably means disrespecting women's rights" and was met with a retort of "So?"

I responded with something empirically well-reasoned but there was absolutely no moving them an inch. So yes I agree this is concerning.

If he was mine, I'd get him taken off my address and registered for his own. I don't think people should be making choices about constituency representation for areas they don't actually live in.

It's good he feels free to think for himself. Too many people vote as their parents did and as they have always done without even looking at a manifesto.

I do hope all of you who have adult children are confident that have managed to avoid trans ideology. It breaks my heart that neither of mine have. But I'm not going NC with them because of it.

Well, those I know who have adult children who aren't voting against women's rights brought them up in a non-sexist, liberal-minded families and didn't condone sexist, patriarchal, anti-women attitudes.

Has anyone here suggested you go NC with your son? I must have missed it. You've made it clear you're not even prepared to take him off the electoral register, even though he lives elsewhere and removing him would actually just be observing the law.

Does your son know you support her? Have you had many conversations about gender? It seems a very confrontational thing for him to have said, if so, but you didn’t mention any kind of disagreement.

He's not allowed to vote in your constituency though, unless he's only away as a student and yours is then genuinely his permanent address. I don't really understand why you'd keep him registered at your address when the form comes through. Are you sure he's not also registered in his own constituency?

Totally. Would be fun if labour got in too though because they plan to systematically and overtly dismantle women's rights. They're led by an MRA. It's a shit show right now and we need a party of actual equality to vote for.

Mine are older teens. Thus far, they have avoided believing that humans magically change sex and that women's rights should never be mentioned but I never sit on my laurels. The question really is not whether other mums and dads have managed to give a stronger message that women matter than the message much of society gives that women don't matter - or perhaps a more believable message for some reason. The question is how to help your son to move to a more ethical place. Personally I think going NC is a bit nuclear but to start to figure out the solution I do think you have to first recognise the problem. He is an MRA, he is part of the problem, he wants to be seen as left winger and progressive but he is not doing the work to get there - not because he is voting Tory this time, but because he is anti RC. Stop enabling him. Take him off your electoral register. I would not enable a vote for misogyny even if he is beyond the age when you can stop him doing that damage. Make him properly face the dilemma because that it what might make him wake up and examine RC's 'crimes'. There is hope for him to move to a more ethical place and maybe this is something you guys just need to not talk about together but you need to know what he is right now and that is no friend to women.

I think it's social death to be a terf @CurlewKate for young people.

I don't think they really know what they are agreeing with, like the daft European Song Contest band in Ireland.

Both my two think that sex matters and single sex exemptions are reasonable and so are actually terfs in that respect. They also didn't realise that there was a public consultation that terfs won!

It's quite superficial support on the whole, not withstanding the dangerous and extremist few.

That's why it's fizzling out IMO.

It's probably a protest vote if you have pushed a GC view. Kids love to oppose their parents.

Incidentally, he is neither an idiot or a Men's Rights Activist!

I wouldn’t be so sure

Or maybe we'll just discuss our kids. On Mumsnet? That does happen.

And a bigot. "You don't agree with me, therefore you must be TERF!"

I have a pair of my own youth, one told me I was ridiculous as no-one wanted male rapists in women's prisons, I was making it up. Then there were male rapists in women's prisons because that's what was wanted.

They read free stuff from the Guardian and such like and get a very limited view on a lot of subjects.

A young female family member of the Potter generation said that JK Rowling shouldn't have said anything. It's not what she said, she simply ought not to mention the unmentioned, it's not nice.

This generation is surprisingly traditional on this really, thinking it's not done to mention that TW are men, we know but don't talk about it as that's something to discreetly ignore, and trusting that although no-one talks about this as it's not polite, there obviously must be polite but discreet people already managing the rapist issue.

It's a bit odd how we have to politely look away from the sexual nature of it at the same time as sex is everywhere, in every Netflix show, every hook up site, every social media, non stop public humping like randy dogs, but 20 somethings are appalled if we mention sex in relation to wearing women's clothes.

I think it's the only acceptable modern prudery TBH and they are appalled that older people have the cheek to know something about it and talk about it square on.

By the time this thread trails off your son will be considered a danger to women and you a failure as a parent. Can't imagine why you thought the thread would go any other way.

A lot of these young men use their mothers on the one hand and despise them on the other. Some young women do this too. By 'hating on terfs' they can channel their middle-class Jungian confusions into something that gets them applauded at university by their peers and trendy lecturers.

The voting malarkey is just the tip of the ice berg.

Fuck off and die woman but first can you sort out my entry on the electoral register and send me some money.

How do you feel about his use of the term 'terf'? Do you find it acceptable for him to call women this? Presumably he actually said this to you, how did you respond?