Dylan Mulvany and Maybelline

It is not the trans aspect, it's the fact that this is a male famous for and currently making a very good living by publicly caricaturing male misogynist stereotypes to enact 'woman'. Not the trans part: the behaviour part.

I would usually say I wouldn't mock anyone's appearance, but frankly when a male person is shoving their appearance in people's faces in this insulting way all over the international media, then fair enough for people to say what they like. I wouldn't expect women just to suck up this ill treatment quietly, being female does not equate to doormat.

Dylan takes the piss out of women ânsia laughing all the way to the bank on the back of it.

Wearing make up isn’t gender specific. Why not just have a bloke happy to be a bloke advertise it 🤷🏻‍♀️

They could introduce a 'gottle of geer' range.

From a distance, not so close up!

The sports bra Nike thing was an issue because Nike has dropped female athletes when they’ve become pregnant. It’s the hypocrisy I can’t stand

make up is for everyone and mac has always had lgbt product ambassadors.

Some possible options are:

• the size of DM's followers,
• the publicity in national press re DM, the current fad of advertisers for 'outrage publicity',
• the chasing of bright young thing customers while abandoning those women customers actually currently spending money with them and sucking up 'pain points' of those current customers pissing off in hope that their new market lives longer and spends longer (presumably for the five minutes until they're the old-and-will-be-dead-soon-so-fuck-them customers themselves)
• people in the planning teams sucked into the pretty glitter side of the story who have not yet been able to clock the massive issues they're supporting under the guise of 'equality' and being a lovely kind person

This seems to be the story on a number of other sellers who have leapt aboard this fuck-you-women bandwagon.

That reference had me rolling as well!

I don't mind transwomen advertising makeup. Make up is used by transwomen.

I do have issues with Dylan, around the way he believes women act, around the fact that Dylan identifies as a a 'girl', around the way Dylan is trying to actually reinforce gender stereotypes. I believe Dylan is very damaging to trans women and women.

I think there's huge red flags around Dylan. I don't have an issue around Dylan advertising make up. I do think I would prefer to avoid companies that choose to ignore the huge red flags and use Dylan in advertising and ignore the issues with Dylans portrayal.

His mannerisms are almost all what old gay men like me used to call "camp as a row of pink tents", but claiming to be a real woman! Loathsome!

That is certainly the result, and look how many girls are wanting to transition - it has created a new term (ROGD Rapid Onset Gender Dysphoria - which the trans lobby and Stonewall claim in transphobic!)

Attack on Titan 😂
Brilliant and so true

It's aimed at young girls. The point is to normalise men in their spaces, even in their identities.

DM has made a mockery of being a woman. It's his whole persona. He is a man, always will be a man. It's insulting for companies to use someone who openly mocks women.

Do women really do that thing that DM does in the commercial - sort of double fist shake in the air? Looks kind of male behaviour to me.

DYLAN had a Web series/you tube .it started "day 1 of being a girl" you can watch it and make up your own mind it basically satires what being female is . do a you tube search and give it a watch.

I agree with this. People are losing sight of things for the sake of it, like another post I saw that said it should be illegal for men to clean toilets. Great let's make that a woman's job 🙄

Wtf, why does he have so much power and influence and why is he meddling?

You are going to get different answers as there are a lot of different ‘red lines’ and opinions on here

I agree there is a difference between advertising products that can be used by someone of any gender, like make up, and products like sports bras where we know many women give up sport once they leave school and where the message about female participation is important. Chloe Kelly would have been a good choice (maybe not outside England admittedly).

Did your rabbit hole include James Lindsay? He got my cogs turning. I'm a bit conflicted because it sounds like tin-foil har time, but I also fins it thoroughly plausible 😬

Ah cross posted - I'm also listening with open ears and mind

I'm not trying to be awkward but as a relative newbie to the debate this is what makes me confused about the whole thing. The bra thing I got, I understood. But the MAC ad is someone openly saying they are trans and talking about a charity linked to the brand while putting on makeup. If someone could please explain why this is offensive I'd be most grateful as just as I think I'm understanding the arguement something else comes along.

Just a very genuine question, as I have seen a lot of hate towards this person.

What is it that everyone is upset about?

I think I'm too laid back to care about these things but I'm wanting to be educated here. Thank you!

Rad fems won't need to boycott as we don't tend to wear make up anyway.