Dylan Mulvany and Maybelline

This made me laugh https://twitter.com/MarkHazard2020/status/1651506964671746050?t=Q_Kh_tPgLO1QGnYlQJ3C7A&s=19

Because he is not wearing makeup as a man ( which he is) but is wearing makeup as womanface. He isn’t a woman. People quite rightly despise and call out blackface as offensive, why is the same level of disapproval not extended to men wearing womanface?

DM is a glorified Audrey Hepburn cosplayer.

this. And a lot more quotes from the wonderful comments above. As far as I understand DM has had a lot of face surgery to make his face more feminine and beautiful. We’d all look amazing if we’d had the same. Still hanging onto his Willy though.

It's behind a paywall you but get the gist from the headline.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/bud-light-executives-on-leave-after-trans-influencer-row-0nlz3dn0b

I saw a report saying Bud had dropped 17% in sales over the controversy. Probably in the FT.

I’ll have a look.

I know. And this place is like a magnet for weirdos who support it.

<shrug>

I'm done with them. And their rep is now going to be an awkward one. 'Down with the kids' and misogynist as fuck tends to be a bit of a turn off really.

$6bn off >$130bn is less than a 5% drop. This is hardly groundbreaking stuff, even if it were true:

It went from $131bn on 11 Apr, to £127.5bn on 12 Apr - a fall of $3.5bn, not $6bn. As of yesterday, it is worth $132bn.

https://stockanalysis.com/stocks/bud/market-cap/

https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-budweiser-satire-idUSL1N36E1GX

I explained the cotton ceiling, male lesbians and spicy straights using the Q word to my (gay) sister (who used to roll her eyes when I said I was refusing to use XYZ product or service) and boy, was she unimpressed. She went on a very long rant.

We were going out to eat and she suggested a place that gave money to the fishy folk. I said no thanks and explained why. She rolled her eyes (she thought behind my back) - then I got a call a few weeks later when the merde hit the fan about them. She was raging (she did a bit of digging and realised it wasn’t the fluffy clouds and pretty flags it projected).

And then she saw Sam Smith…

Homosexual people have continually shared these issues and discomforts. The TQ+ lobby does not care. Compassion/respect/care for identity and language/lived experience is apparently only for their own members.

Glad I am not the only one really uncomfortable with the use of word queer. The peak of the AIDS epidemic would have gone over my head as I was too young.
Growing up it was a slur and anyone that used it was homophobic.
When I was in university in the noughties I knew quite a few people who came out. Myself and my friends never cared what sexuality other people were. I naively thought that society had move passed homophobia.

I agee. Growing up with a gay sister the word that was yelled/hissed at me was ‘q’.

No one used it in a ’good’ way. It was a word many gay people would have heard as they were being physically attacked.

So no, seeing straight people ‘camping it up’ and announcing their ‘Q-ness’ sticks in my craw. They don’t know what it means.

I take total offence at the use of "queer" people dying of AIDS mentioned in the MAC ad.

At the time "queer" was a slur. Nowadays it includes a healthy dose of straight people. Plus the majority of those dying awful deaths were gay men.

Now while this whole trans movement specifically states that trans women are women, that means DM is a woman. I have no idea if DM is supposed to be a straight woman or a lesbian - according to DM and DM's supporters' own definition, definitely not according to heterosexual or homosexual - but DM is DEFINITELY not supposed to be a gay man.

As DM's target audience is young women - because Maybelline and Mac are not targeting overworked, underpaid, exhausted middle aged mothers, nor are they targeting the vast majority of men of any age - they're essentially rewriting history in this ad. "Queer" =/= gay man to that audience.

It's also hugely disrespectful to all those who suffered under that slur while they and/or their friends were dying. I have close friend who has ONE friend left from that time. All his other friends from then died before they were 35. Queer still isn't a term he can deal with.

They record their journey with both hormones and laser on their TikTok, so you are misinformed. Laser takes lots of sessions before you see an effect, and at least a year. Trust me, I have PCOS and facial hair, I know.

Quite.

It's like a woman-face version of Some Mothers Do 'Ave 'Em: Michael Crawford camping it up on rollerskates.

Not really what the average woman aspires to give the image of when turning to their make up.

John Maclean is a really interesting man who is an alt presenting makeup artist. He’s just … John. John who wears makeup.

Women! Do you look like Dylan Mulvaney?! Buy and wear all this make up and you’ll look like Dylan Mulvaney pretending he’s a 12 year old girl pretending to be Audrey Hepburn!! Worth every dime. Possibly. Or not.

He simpers. He.shrugs in an exaggerated girlie way which looks ludicrous..Make up ads used to promote a glam look; now they promote the idea that women are silly and fluffy headed and on the plain side.
Why would that appeal to women?

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I'm not transphobic, but I'm.in possible danger of becoming mulvaney-phobic, he/she/they (appeasing mn censors) is just awful

Look I am as GC as they come but Dylan has every right to make money by advertising and TBH Maybelline seems a good brand match. I'm not buying makeup so there's no point advertising to me. I can see the match with Bud Light as well, they are trying to increase their market base and reported short term protests only adds to the advertising reach. Bet they end up making more money long term because of the ads.

Nike is a completely different case because of the issues in America and the UK with the health implications of women dropping sport at a young age and the fact that Dylan has no mammary glands and the way Nike has previously treated pregnant sports stars. It feels like yet another slap in the face from corporate America.

Haha!!

IKR?

Honestly. Someone is playing fucking trick making men rule the world. They're simply not capable.

Are they planning a new product? Penis - maybe he’s born with it….

Why is this the case in at least some cases?

Surely most of them have grown up with women in their families (mothers, say, and even sisters), so they should be aware that the vast majority of women don't squeal and skip and grin manically all day long or that they don't go out into nature in high heels and wearing leather bikinis or that they don't panic when seeing a bug and then trip over and end up lying exhausted in the grass?

And where does the fairly common idea come from that living as a woman means being pornified in dress and behaviour all day long?

Probably from porn? But then, once again, how about observing women in the real world, to fix that misunderstanding.

Also, why doesn't identifying as a woman more often mean to identify with getting the groceries, cooking the meals, cleaning the house, wiping the noses and the bottoms etc? The actual boring stereotypes which are attached to the female sex.

He has had no gender reassignment surgery,
He doesn't take hormone replacement.
He doesn't do laser removal by the state of his top lip all the time.
He play acts being female.
Womanface fits him.

His version of make up and clothes is a 1950s stereotype. This happens a lot with m2f trans. Their idea of women is short skirts and heels and looking like a slapper.