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Transwomen can't be a subset of women

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literalviolence · 20/04/2023 21:24

..unless women and transwomen have something in common.

Subset are a part of a larger group of related things.

Thing is, I have nothing in common with trans women. No woman who does not have a gender identity does. There are lots of us who don't have a gender identity.

Thoughts?

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Nellodee · 21/04/2023 07:22

Cis women and women can both be subsets of the group “identifies as a woman”, but it’s a pretty pointless grouping that absolutely relies on there being a secret, unspoken grouping somewhere of “actually being a woman”.

MillieOns · 21/04/2023 00:13

Men can’t ever be a subset of women and women can’t ever be a subset of men. The two sexes are opposites.

GailBlancheViola · 21/04/2023 00:08

literalviolence · 20/04/2023 23:51

My thinking follow on from the thread about someone asking others to help them articulate the problems with calling people cis. The predicable response of 'it just helps clarify which sub-set of the set of women you were talking about' was regurgitated. I thought what nonsense. Sounds like others agree.

Not only is it nonsense it is offensive and insulting. TW are a subset of the male sex class and I am not and never will be a subset of my sex class so they can fuck right off with that.

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literalviolence · 20/04/2023 23:51

My thinking follow on from the thread about someone asking others to help them articulate the problems with calling people cis. The predicable response of 'it just helps clarify which sub-set of the set of women you were talking about' was regurgitated. I thought what nonsense. Sounds like others agree.

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Helleofabore · 20/04/2023 23:44

Your logic is sound OP.

SidekickSylvia · 20/04/2023 23:33

They're men. Not even a subset of men, they're just men.

PorcelinaV · 20/04/2023 23:12

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howdoesatoastermaketoast · 20/04/2023 23:04

MargotBamborough · 20/04/2023 22:43

But then trans women wouldn't be a subset of that.

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I do not disagree

ShandaLear · 20/04/2023 22:44

Trans women are a subset of men, I would have thought.

MargotBamborough · 20/04/2023 22:43

howdoesatoastermaketoast · 20/04/2023 21:29

Women: the set of all persons who are not entitled to declare themselves Transwomen?

But then trans women wouldn't be a subset of that.

SwordToFlamethrower · 20/04/2023 22:39

Women are the only people who can't be transwomen. So there you have it

TheBiologyStupid · 20/04/2023 22:23

howdoesatoastermaketoast · 20/04/2023 21:29

Women: the set of all persons who are not entitled to declare themselves Transwomen?

Perfect, toaster!

crunchermuncher · 20/04/2023 21:29

Makes perfect sense to me.

Unfortunately the gender people are trying to twist the meaning of the word woman and make it so weak that it literally means anyone who wants to be one, therefore any human at all. Therefore TW can be a subset of the group "women" (formerly known as "all humans") if you apply their dodgy logic.

howdoesatoastermaketoast · 20/04/2023 21:29

Women: the set of all persons who are not entitled to declare themselves Transwomen?

Happylittlechicken · 20/04/2023 21:28

You’re right. That would be like saying cats are a subset of dogs. There is nothing all transwomen and women have in common that all men and transmen do not have. Transwomen are a subset of men and transmen are a subset of women.