The Women's Institute faces revolt ...

@IwantToRetire · Today 21:17
ScrollingLeaves

Unfortunately that isn't the clip which was from earlier in the year.

And in it she was really flip about how she know about the EA because she had helped draft the exemptions (ie I did it so it must be okay) as part of her work for the Labour Party.

But is was so clear, women's rights were seen to be second class to trans rights.

I wish I had saved the link it was so stark.

And is of course reflected in current Labour policy. Women know your place. You get your rights after everyone else is secure in theirs.

I think the clip you linked to in fact just shows her not back pedalling but trying to divert the issue itself into the problem is the toxic commentators.

Thank you for letting me know. I thought it might not be the right one.

Even so, the way she spoke about the exemptions for women and the protection of trans as though they were so balanced there was no cause for argument, just made her seem out of touch with reality, especially as they were also discussing Isla Bryson.

@ScrollingLeaves

Unfortunately that isn't the clip which was from earlier in the year.

And in it she was really flip about how she know about the EA because she had helped draft the exemptions (ie I did it so it must be okay) as part of her work for the Labour Party.

But is was so clear, women's rights were seen to be second class to trans rights.

I wish I had saved the link it was so stark.

And is of course reflected in current Labour policy. Women know your place. You get your rights after everyone else is secure in theirs.

I think the clip you linked to in fact just shows her not back pedalling but trying to divert the issue itself into the problem is the toxic commentators.

Oh god, her? I remember her now.

I won't give her any more attention.

She's silly and flippant even when apparently being serious.

Burns and Whittle clearly ran rings around her and that's not actually saying very much.

In that clip from the Vive show she asserts that Isla Bryson is not trans and yet her law tells us he is. A dim bulb.

*we learn something about being a woman through the eyes of transgender women

Right. Do we. What do we learn, Melissa?*

We learn how to perform feminine stereotypes. Or toxic masculine stereotypes, depending on the 'teacher'

A representative of the WI is quoted in a Guardian article as saying that trans women teach something about being a woman to the rest of the WI membership.

Great - I‘ll shave my head (but not my legs), put on a suit and tie, maybe accessorise with some brogues and cuff links, call myself Bert, and then start teaching men something about being a man.

I can see that going really well …

Is Ayesha important? She seems to just be a pundit.

The EA is HUGE and complex. A great many people had input.

how wonderful it was they had created the exemptions

To be 100% fair, there are some welcome exceptions in the EA which were not there in the previous Sex Discrimination Act.

I'll have to go back and find the references but there were amendments to the SDA from the late 90's that infringed on women's rights.

Back then it was not only understood that there was 'a process' but it was assumed that someone would complete their transition, at which point they were to be treated as their preferred sex regarding single sex spaces and occupational requirements. No exceptions.

This was before the GRA so this was in one sense self-ID but in another sense not, because it applied to people who had completed their transition, which was understood as 'had all the operations'.

There was no equivalent of Schedule 3 para 28 in the SDA.

Please tell me that this quote is a parody?

Oh dear, she's the idiot that wrote this in the Standard.

I’m part of a wonderful Facebook group of older women celebrating confidence in our “hot girl years”, AKA the menopause. Trans women are not only welcome, they are cherished — we have all learned from their stories and world class ability to accessorise.

Vote Labour!

https://thecritic.co.uk/cowardice-calls-to-cowardice/

Sarah Philimore has written about Ayesha. She now has her therapist on speed dial in case anyone mentions the terrible mess of an Equality Act she's so proud of.

I remember from my grandmother reading about all the women's issues the WI had campaigned of on its 75th anniversary, well ahead of many others on some of them.

If the WI ceases to be representative of women and no longer the force it was, I think it would be a loss.

@Hepwo and @IwantToRetire

I found this You Tube Excerpt from a Jeremy Vine Show with her mentioning the exceptions in the Equality Act.
https://twitter.com/jeremyvineon5/status/1635975760040153093/mediaviewer

I just cannot understand how such an important Act can have been in the hands of someone like this.

https://www.abi.org.uk/events/2019/9/insurance-tax-convention-2019/speaker-biographies/ayesha-hazarika/

And the pink bus no less!

Ayesha you are truly spoiling us!

Working with Harriet Harman to lead Labour’s pink bus campaign to canvas women’s votes, Ayesha forcefully promotes equality and diversity in all her work.

Clown world.

It's a gravy train all right for the likes of Green. Just no gravy for the poor members of the WI she "represents".

I wish she could hear herself, "biology and lived experience".

Yes, the biology is what creates the lived experience.

Any man claiming lived experience makes them a woman certainly doesn't have biology as the causal factor, and it all starts and stops with biology.

My heart as a man really goes out to all of you re the wholesale assault on everything you hold dear.

https://twitter.com/ayeshahazarika/status/1405272067340046342

Here's the lovely Ayesha characterising a thread by Karen Ingala Smith as wanting a punch up.

Absolutely this.

How did someone like Melissa Green become CEO of NFWI?

There's a wider problem with the model of umbrella orgs. We've seen it with Women's Aid, Rape Crisis, GirlGuiding etc. and I've seen it in other contexts too.

The people at the top who work for the federation are on the career charity-go-round and are completely out of touch with what the member orgs are for, what they're trying to do and what they are facing. They don't give a shit as long as their next charity move is a step up and looks good on the CV.

Melissa has a professional background in the third sector, with senior leadership roles in a number of national membership and volunteer-led organisations and with a focus on children, families and communities. Melissa’s previous roles include Head of Adult Support at The Scout Association, Interim CEO at Bliss, the special care baby charity, and Director of Operations at The Fostering Network.

https://www.thewi.org.uk/about-us/who-we-are/senior-staff/melissa-green

The member orgs are subscribing to a franchise, a bit like Wimpy restaurants. They are reliant on their federation membership for funding but in return there's a certain amount of branding they must accept and certain lines they must toe.

The whole model appears to benefit the charity-go-round careerists like Melissa, at the expense of the member orgs and ordinary members.

Im still baffled looking at their trustee board how they got themselves so stonewalled Board of trustees

as for saying women can learn from
men about womanhood - they cannot fuck off far enough. Can they even hear themselves. ?

Ayesha Hazarika's claim to fame re the equality act is all over the internet @ScrollingLeaves , she's been dining out on it for years by the looks of it.

Thank you
IwantToRetire · Today 18:57

I found where it was linked and this is it, but unfortunately, after signing up to Channel 5, it seems there are only more recent episodes of Jeremy Vine available.
I’ll try You Tube in case anyone put it there.

After intro ads go to 1:40
www.channel5.com/show/jeremy-vine/season-2023/episode-27

That episode of Jeremy vine is unavailable.

This is the woman referred to by @IwantToRetire

She seems to think it's all a bit of a laugh. Everything is a bit of a laugh in fact.

If you search Ayesha Hazarika equality act you get boast after boast about "I wrote the equality act" before leaving to be a stand up comedian.

Okay then. The joke's on us..

She has a good laugh about bigotty voters in the independent article below (she was a team Brown bigot spotter obviously) and how Labour just need a good joke writer (I'm paraphrasing) to outsmart the bigotty bigots.

inews.co.uk/opinion/labour-needs-to-get-its-act-together-on-the-trans-debate-its-not-going-away-1550646

No, Ayesha, not going to wash in afraid. It's a year on and the penis question is now sticking to your forehead.

I wonder if Starmer recruits similar standard of advisors?

Ahh thanks

@IwantToRetire

Seconding scrolling leaves, I've looked at other WI threads but can't see a link.

It would be helpful if you could find it for us.

You are blooming right about it being biased.