The Women's Institute faces revolt ...

I can understand a company wanting a good credit score and I can understand institutional capture by the left.

The third sector must be captured also by left wing ideology.

I don’t understand why the WI is doubling down on this when it is clear that their female members are not happy. It may not affect all the branches but whenever there is man present it makes it a mixed space which women do not want. Resistance is now coming from all sides, while some of the media is still fawning over men who may or may not have had genital surgery, with little thought for any of us.

does anyone actually here know any trans women?

Yes I do. And one of those transwomen thought it appropriate to ask my Mother for a pair of her underwear, saying that it was fine if used.

Honestly though, regardless of their character, I don't want them in women's spaces because they're male. I know some very nice men too. They still don't belong in Women's spaces.

Hepwo· Today 09:31
They aren't different "types". One is just less hostile than the other.

I was thinking one version might be based on gender dysphoria and distress, while this seems something like having a sex obsessed porn persona identity wanting validation by the WI.

Though it seems true that allowing the one leads to the other.

They aren't different "types". One is just less hostile than the other.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11992271/Now-trans-activist-boasts-violence-joins-Womens-Institute.html

This version of being transgender is a sort of publicly displayed sexual orientation (to the self), also requiring an element of public shock.

Not all TW are like this, but this person is not the innocent old TW type shown on the WI magazine cover.

AnythingToSay · Today 00:53

Well, you've beaten me to it, with a far more extensive list of "Gentle Souls."

I’ve worked with 3 men who enjoyed role playing as women

all 3 were overtly ‘pretending’ to be women in ways I found insulting ( short skirts at work, creepy and inappropriate ‘girl talk’ etc)

I tolerated it at work because everyone has a right to work and work is and should be a mixed sex environment

given that I have joined a club that advertises itself as single sex, I don’t see why my tolerance should extend there

so yes, I have met trans people. That forms the basis of my position

Do you think 'if these women only knew transwomen they'd gladly exercise their empathy and give up every shred of their rights to those exalted beings?' Transpeople are equal and social rules apply to them too. Young lads deserve privacy in toilets etc so no, young girls definitely shouldn't be in their private spaces - it's extremely rude and disrespectful. Transwomen have no need to be in the WI and the fact that women don't want them there is more than enough, they can 'hang out' somewhere else and socialise with other people. Women aren't support animals.

I think the WI are generally trying to be inclusive, unfortunately those may be in favour (I.E me and many others like me)won’t be heard among the outrage

They are calling for a debate and a vote, so assuming you are a WI member then you would have the same chance to be heard as everyone else.

Of course I know trans people. Doesn't change my understanding of human biology.

Why do you prefer to pressure women to give up their rights rather than tell males 'no'?

@StoptheToryshitshow "Does nobody on here have trans children?"

This thread isn't about kids, but OK. What is a "trans child" in your mind?

Is it a child who hates their body so much that they wish they were the opposite sex?

Is it a child who prefers clothes, toys and activities stereotypically associated with the other sex?

Is it a child with ASD who feels they don't fit in?

Is it a child who, upon the onset of puberty, begins to feel same sex attraction and experiences homophobia and decides it would be better to be straight?

Is it a bereaved, traumatised, abused, bullied or looked after child? Is it a child with comorbidities like anxiety, depression or eating disorders?

In my experience, yes. These are the children who end up saying that they are trans. Read Time to Think, by Hannah Barnes if you think I'm exaggerating.

Or do you think a "trans" child is one who has been "born in the wrong body"? Is so, what is it that is born into the body that is wrong? Isn't a soul? An essence? What evidence is there for this?

I’m glad the DM picked up on the story about Varma. And it would be nice to think that the boasts of violence and threats to kill will be investigated thought I bet they won’t be.

It will be less good for women with men there

that means there shouldn’t be any men there

the end

You probably think that's a tolerant, reasonable and #BeKind take on the issue but in fact you'd be seen as a bit of a TERF I'm afraid because it's total acceptance or nothing.

They don't want to join as a man hanging out with the girls but as a true woman equal in every sense to all the biological women and with absolute acceptance of their status. If you pick and mix your stance on this (eg around sport or prisons) then it means you recognise that there's a biological difference.

Women have been guilt tripped, coerced and forced into being nice to men to let them have what they want for far too long. This is just the latest iteration.

That maid outfit will be handy for serving the tea.

What is a trans child?

Is Karen White a gentle soul? What about Isla Bryson, Michael Maria Pentholm, Katie Dolatowski, Jessica Winfield, Tara Desousa, Janiah Monroe, Kristen Lukess, Lisa Hauxwell, Laken McKay, Aliea Rose Brown, Paula Witherspoon, Davina Ayrton, Johanna Wolf, Hanna Tubbs, Christopher Hambrook, Dakota Nieves, Tarah Jo Morgan, Marie Dean, Jessica Brennan, Rachel Smith, Marcia Walker, Synthia China Blast, Michelle Winter, Paris Bregazzi, Melissa Wilson, Barbie Kardashian, Jessica Smith, Wolfgang Schmidtd, Chloe Thompson, Denen Anderson, Kadence Pinder, Beth Hannay, Leah Harvey, Julie Marshall, Blaine Maney, Amber Thorden, Evi Amati, Babs Longmire, Rachel Fenton, Jorven Seren, Claire Goodier, Kim Marie Johannson, Steven Hayes, Jacinta Brooks, Alexander Eshawn Lions, Ashley Winter, Steph Ricciardi, Vicky Green, Ella Davies, Melissa Addis, Madilyn Harks, Jessica Marie Hann, Michelle Martinez, Nicole Summers, Shauna Patricia Smith, Evelyn Young, Claire Goodier, Allison Woolbert, Nur Ahmed, Vyvyenne Ward, Laura McCann, Lisa Jones, Rayne Aloysius Constantine Rose Bennett, Louise Foord, Robert Glanowski, Joshua Bate, Alyssa Celusta, Sora Kuykendall, Lydia Helena Vision, Ava Jones, Alex Ray Scott, Diego Melendez, Paris Green, Tiffany Scott, Zoe Lynes, Vicky Green, Pauline Long, Chloe Walker, Toni Prince, Lana Laws, Christyl Knight, Carrie Cooper, Jasmine Hill, Nicola Florida, Dawn Love, Stacey Pool, Alexis Herschell, Scarlet Shadows, Karen Louise Lawson, Nicola Cope, Gina Owen, Kayleigh Louise Woods, Claire Darbyshire, Kira Leverton, Kathleen Carpenter, Donna Perry, Karen Jones, Carol Lea, Michelle Lewin, Alanna Nicole Partin, Yostin Murillo, Peter Selby, Wendy Jones, Rose Whitby, Daryl Graves, Diana Guevara, Jason Croker, Jody Matthew Burke, Patricia Trimble, Klaus T, Sally Dixon, Milan Wash, Adree Edmo, Jayden Dean, Paul Denyer, Bruno Meirelles, Pandora Electra, Robert Gordon Cummins, Danielle Rose Gemini, Amber McLaughlin, Brooke Lyn Sonia, Nonnie Lotusflower, Tianne Miller, Andrea Balcer, Narsimha Bichappa Shirvati, Brandy Wood, Isla Bryson, Kelly McSean, Michelle Renee Lamb, Andrea Balcer, Ketan Shende, Serenity Alana Mann, Sacho Samson, Harryetta Thompson, Jenna Hansen, Jane Beck, Audrey Robinson and Lexi-Rose Crawford and Carissa Marie Radcliffe, Jolene Charisma Starr, Zara Jade and Rhiley Carlson?

I don't get to join a men's football team because 'I want to hang out with boys'.

Thanks - I hope its okay to use this. Cant wait to quote this!

But as we know women dont get to do this but men do.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11992271/Now-trans-activist-boasts-violence-joins-Womens-Institute.html

Yeah I'm quite close to two. They are at very different points on the 'living as a woman' scale. One has gone through all legal, practical and surgical channels and has been 100% in 'female mode' for a long time. The other has informally adopted a pretty name and puts sexy dress up posts on Insta from the privacy of their bedroom, but otherwise presents the same as before.

The trouble with blanket policies from organisational HQ is that they can't distinguish - let all in or let none in, or in this case a loosely worded compromise that means nothing in practice. I'm not sure what the answer is, but maybe leaving the decisions to local chapters (which was probably already happening) would be better.

But the short answer to your question is - they can hang out anywhere they're welcome. Just like everyone else. I don't get to join a men's football team because 'I want to hang out with boys'.

Am flabbergasted at the general lack of empathy with these issues.

You seem to be missing the point.

Nobody is saying trans children should never go out and be with other people.

The whole emphasise of this thread and 99.9% of threads on FWR is why should women not be able to have their own single sex associations, services etc..

The demand that women should give up their rights to accommodate others is just part of decades, centuries of women being deemed unimportant.

Showing me one thread on FWR that says trans children should be kept in isolation.

If there seems to be a lack of "empathy" it is the relentless attack on women only spaces.

So women are fighting back at this constant attack.

Unless of course you also think there is never any circumstance that women should have single sex spaces.

(By the way I wasn't aware that one of the purposes of the WI was to socialise children, so not sure why that has come up as an issue on this thread.)

What does inclusive mean?

Does nobody on here have trans children? Am
flabbergasted at the general lack of empathy with these issues. Yes there are conversations to be had about safe spaces but does anyone actually here know any trans women? As every single one I’ve met has been a gentle soul. I’m genuinely curious, where should they hang out? Who should they socialise with? And what if you have a trans (born female) child who wants to hang out with boys? Are they not allowed in those male spaces either? I think the WI are generally trying to be inclusive, unfortunately those may be in favour (I.E me and many others like me)won’t be heard among the outrage

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5286479/amp/WI-members-revolt-having-hand-cash-London-HQ.html

You are not the first to mention it Bernard.

Subs this year is £46, a not insignificant sum for many of our members

of that, our institute keeps £22.60

the federation (the county, basically) get £10.80

National, so Melissa and her chums, get £12.60

I know the women at county level and I understand what we get for our £10.80. It's decent value.

I've got no fucking clue what value Melissa is adding that entitles her to over a quarter of my subs