The Women's Institute faces revolt ...

I bet I know what sex those sources are.

'some sources' He's just retrofitting, like the people I know IRL who spout things about 'all the trans people I know'/'all my trans friends' and 'transwomen have always used women's toilets' etc when in actual fact until about three years ago they'd never even said the word transgender.

It's one of these situation where men with gender have always been welcomed as women. So welcomed in fact that nothing had to be said or written down.

Its strange then, that the WI decided to make a big thing of a man with gender in the WI very recently. And why william Hague (!) decided to tell women that men with gender should be included.

I'm getting mixed messages.

I agree with the current policy of the WI which has been in place for decades. Likewise, I think trans men should be allowed in the Freemasons (they are). So no, I don't disagree with "women," I just disagree with gender critical people, and the majority of people here are gender critical.

“Some sources” what sources exactly? I bet she couldn’t point to a single committee meeting minute where a vote was taken by national WI back in the 70s to formally admit men. It’s just the sort of bullshit people say when they haven’t a clue and are trying to retrospectively rewrite history to fit the current narrative

Sure. The CEO of the WI said it.

Melissa Green, its chief executive, said on Monday night: “We are very proud of this policy, and how inclusive and supportive WI members are.
“This is not a new policy. We know transgender women have been welcomed to WIs for many years, some sources say as far back as the 1970s, and our national policy reflects what was happening already.”

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2023/04/18/william-hague-womens-institute-wi-transgender/

I think this is the real question.

Is what the WI does, at this point in history, something that is just as legitimate to have men involved in?

It's the same as a Men's Motoring Club deciding if maybe it is time to let women in. It's not a simple question by any means.

But the very same reasons for letting TW in would apply to any men interested in the things the WI does.

some men like Dad, absolutely hate the very concept of women

I don't think they hate the concept of women exactly. They do, however, certainly feel it's in their gift rather than that of boring old fashioned female-type people to define the concept, and they do get very angry with boring old fashioned female-type people who do not respect their authority to make that definition.

If WI decide, because that is what their members want, to exclude all male people based on their sex, are you really suggesting a transwoman would sue them for this? What would they hope to achieve? Membership of an institute women would then leave?

I never get this. Lots of organisations are organised around protected characteristics and I wouldn't dream of demanding access. Think mens mental health clubs. Or LGB clubs.
And why do transwomen always then center it around themselves and their protected characteristic of being trans?

I know the answer: it is a feature of gender ideology but sometimes the sheer narcissism leaves me breathless, and how much transwomen, and some men like Dad, absolutely hate the very concept of women

Yes and it would be so interesting to see who wanted to join in those circumstances.

This.

If WI can't justify SSE, they have to include all men regardless of the PC of GR.

If they include men, why do they call themselves the womens institute? Isn't that false advertising?

Women are always the interlocutors into the public sphere, according to some men.

It needs to go in the places where the average WI member reads. Unfortunately in my group is probably the guardian

Is the Daily Mail all over this? I don’t think many WI members are aware of the issue. And the WI magazine is strangely silent on the matter.

Cos as the fabulous Datun always says, it’s not the spaces or the groups. It’s the women in the spaces or the groups. Without the women, there’s no validation for TW that they’re ‘women’

Why not rename it 'The People's Institute' and let any old Tom,Dick and Harriet sign up?

Oh dear no.

Where's the fun in that?

Because it's all about validation.

It's bizarre isn't it? Men pushing their way in and pushing and keeping women out of public life has slowly become unacceptable over the last 100 years or so but there's a resistant cohort like DadJoke that insists on carrying it on.

Why can’t they start up their own trans group

They’re still interlopers however long they’ve been there

Men in women’s spaces are ALWAYS interlopers

I’m sure you can evidence a link from the 1970s to show WI was accepting men babk then DadJoke

They been trans inclusive since the 1970s. They aren't the interlopers here.

The WI should be all over this TWAW shit but they have effectively been silenced by an interloper at the top.
they campaign about violence against women and girls. But can’t say what a woman is
silencing one of the biggest groups of women in the country has been an amazing achievement for the trans lobby