New UN report says children can consent to sex with adults

This is why they've been pushing the trans debate so much, it's a gateway to also accepting this.

Christine Stegling said, “I welcome the fact that these principles are being launched on International Women’s Day (IWD), in recognition of the detrimental effects criminal law can, and too often does have on women in all their diversity.”

Does 'in all their diversity' mean er, men?

So, civil society represented in the governing body. I wonder if NGO's like Amnesty would be there. You know the ones whose Irish crowd called for women standing up for their rights to lose political representation etc. And, of course they are big on the exploitation of women being deodorised as 'sex work'. Suits the pimps and men who buy women a lot better.

Civil society. I wouldn't trust many of those lobby groups as far as I'd throw them.

Ah, thank you for clarifying - I did originally ask if I was misunderstanding what it was saying, evidently I was :')

I don’t think we should be criminalising women who smoke or drink in pregnancy. I think doing either of those things is a seriously bad idea, and absolutely the woman’s care providers should be engaging with her on it. But criminal sanctions? No.

As for criminalising someone because they have the misfortune to contract HIV…. terrible awful victim blaming idea.

Well, UNAIDS seems to be involved, along with OHCHR.

You can see from the link in the op.

UNAIDS is a model for United Nations reform and is the only cosponsored Joint Programme in the United Nations system. It draws on the experience and expertise of 11 United Nations system Cosponsors and is the only United Nations entity with civil society represented on its governing body.

and

The UNAIDS Secretariat has offices in 70 countries, with 70% of its staff based in the field, and has a budget of US$ 140 million for 2018. The budget for the Joint Programme for 2018 is US$ 242 million.

Yeah, they are using the words protecting human rights. Whose rights? Maybe not children, however they try to mis represent it. I'd wonder who has classified them as eminent? Themselves, or the guys they are lobbying for?

After Yogakartha Principles, I don't think I'd immediately accept their self-lauding description or claimed intent at face value.

Where is the link with the UN?

They seem to be insinuating there are quite a number of sexes, or the sexes gives rise into a number of genders.

Consensual same-sex, as well as consensual different-sex sexual relations, or consensual sexual relations with or between trans, non-binary and other gender- diverse people

So two sexes - same and different. Then trans, non-binary and other gender-diverse people. Are they not covered by the two sexes mentioned? Does gender-diverse offer an infinite possibility? What are they if they are not covered by the two sexes? Sex in one breath and then glide to gender in the other.

Is this another lobby list crowd, or operating in the interests of some such?

You're confusing "held criminally liable" with "needs medical support". Women in the USA have been prosecuted and jailed for taking drugs during pregnancy. This helps neither the mother nor the child.

The pages must change based on your screen size, how confusing!

If you're in a headspace where you're knowingly doing things that will cause harm to your unborn baby, ie getting drunk or taking drugs as the report lists those as examples, surely that suggests that the woman is doing those things because she's not coping very well mentally?
Involving a mental health professional does not always = full on mental illness, maybe she's just having a bout of depression for example and could do with some counselling.

In the case that she's doing those things because she no longer wants to continue the pregnancy, surely an abortion would be the appropriate response rather than alcohol and drugs, no?
And that would raise the question in my mind as to why she's not considering that as an option, and again then I would suggest counselling to get to the bottom of that.

But I also don't think someone should be excused 100% for knowingly doing things that will harm their pregnancy?
The baby has no choice in any of what's going on in the world around them or in what their mother does?

What is the link with the UN? Looks like an NGO in Geneva, not a UN body

Who are the international Commission of Jurists? Are they like the shower that came up with the Yogakartha Principles, without a care to the real life and effects on others?

So, 'sex work' is fine under fair conditions – without coercion, force, abuse of authority or fraud. I'd be sceptical if those were ever absent, in some shape or form. Former trauma, abuse etc.

Why do you believe this behaviour would indicate mental illness

I wonder if there is a definition for 'gender identity', and if sexual orientation includes paedophilia?

Principle 16 is on page 22-23 of the document I opened.

PRINCIPLE 16 – CONSENSUAL SEXUAL CONDUCT
Consensual sexual conduct, irrespective of the type of sexual activity, the sex/ gender, sexual orientation, gender identity or gender expression of the people involved or their marital status, may not be criminalized in any circumstances. Consensual same-sex, as well as consensual different-sex sexual relations, or consensual sexual relations with or between trans, non-binary and other gender- diverse people, or outside marriage – whether pre-marital or extramarital – may, therefore, never be criminalized.

With respect to the enforcement of criminal law, any prescribed minimum age of consent to sex must be applied in a non-discriminatory manner. Enforcement may not be linked to the sex/gender of participants or age of consent to marriage.

Moreover, sexual conduct involving persons below the domestically prescribed minimum age of consent to sex may be consensual in fact, if not in law. In this context, the enforcement of criminal law should reflect the rights and capacity of

persons under 18 years of age to make decisions about engaging in consensual sexual conduct and their right to be heard in matters concerning them. Pursuant to their evolving capacities and progressive autonomy, persons under 18 years of age should participate in decisions affecting them, with due regard to their age, maturity and best interests, and with specific attention to non-discrimination guarantees.

It's weird though, because the UN does have a view on the minimum age for marriage. And yet this...

Principle 16 on page 26-27. It basically says that you should involve the minor in the legal process and take into account the circumstances. I took from this that they want countries to have laws that differentiate between rape of a minor and statutory rape of a minor.

I only saw it was a 32 page document and thought 'fuck that, I'm tired' so I thought I'd ask someone who's read it.

I was reading this as I saw it on Twitter. Haven't read it all but that para does say "involving persons...". So one party could be above that age. And then there's group-based grooming situations. Not to mention the bit about hearing what concerns them...well...how many groomed minors are going to understand they're victims? And say they've been coerced and raped?

This document definitely needs some carefully reading, was my first impression.