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Can MNHQ set up a new discussion category called Feminism: sex & gender discussion (inclusive, non-GC)

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PlanetLuna · 04/04/2023 14:59

MN, will you please create a talk group/category of Feminism: sex & gender discussion (inclusive, non-GC)?

MN appears to currently have only 2 feminism categories:
Feminism: chat
Feminism: sex & gender discussions

But the Feminism: sex & gender category on MN is predominantly GC, with its emphasis on trans exclusion ideology. Feminists who do not subscribe to those beliefs are often unwelcome and treated with derision and hostility in discussions. Certainly not always as some GC posters do enjoy open, intellectual discussions but often enough that engagement can be toxic & intimidating all around.

It is almost impossible for non-GC feminists to find inclusive/non-GC feminist discussions, and we have to wade through unpleasant (for us) GC threads while attempting to do so.

GC feminism dominates on UK parenting sites in particular. However, inclusive/non-GC feminism is extremely popular around the world (especially in places like the US, NZ, and AU) and in the UK among younger feminists and those who do not see trans rights as a threat to women & girls’ safety. Many UK feminists are non-GC but may feel silenced on MN.

The addition of another category will help open up and improve MN discussions while reducing the toxicity and hostility that many feminists on both sides experience in discussions.

So I propose the following feminism discussion categories:
Feminism: chat (general)
Feminism: sex & gender discussions (GC)
Feminism: sex & gender discussion (inclusive, non-GC)

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LexMitior · 04/04/2023 15:08

How about the OP does what everyone else has to and debate the issues?

You want a little echo chamber, get a cupboard and someone who shares your views.

TrombonesAreNotBones · 04/04/2023 15:08

Do consider using the feminism:chat board.

That's what it is there for, so us norty unkind dried up bitter old Nazi hags can not sully your eyeballs with our adamant written refusals to agree that humans can change sex. HTH.

TangledUpinBlu · 04/04/2023 15:08

How can you be a feminist if you're not critical of the concept of gender?
I don't get it.

Bamboux · 04/04/2023 15:08

There's a great big Internet out there full of people who aren't fussed about women's rights. Fly free and join them.

AmuseBish · 04/04/2023 15:07

"GC" means believing that sex is real and sometimes it matters. If you want a space to discuss believing that sex isn't real and/or that it never matters you can do that pretty much anywhere?

OP - could you please set out what you think gender-critical actually means and why it's relevant to having a discussion on here?

Igneococcus · 04/04/2023 15:07

I would actually quite like to see how busy such a board would be. I think OP might be quite disappointed, but who knows?

Motorina · 04/04/2023 15:07

Feminism: sex & gender discussion (inclusive, non-GC)

It never seems to amaze me when I see something that says, "Inclusive, excluding those people I don't like".

Why is this different from, "Inclusive dating club (non-gay)" or "Inclusive tennis club (no women)"?

By definition, if it is properly inclusive, it includes those who's opinions you disagree with.

Like the current forum does.

RoseslnTheHospital · 04/04/2023 15:05

Never mind how you could discuss the concept of gender in relation to feminism without being critical of it, fgs.

KvotheTheBloodless · 04/04/2023 15:05

WTF? Confused

The whole point of having 2 separate categories for feminism on MN (Chat and Sex & Gender) was so that liberal feminists could keep using Feminism Chat whilst the GC folk moved their discussions of the intersection of trans rights and women's rights to a dedicated section. Now you're saying you want yet another area for lib fems?

You can ask for different sections for different topics, but you can't reasonably ask that only people who agree with you post on particular topics, that's bonkers!

FuckeryOmbudsman · 04/04/2023 15:04

@mnhq

I would like to see the end of the silencing of non-GC feminism.

I would like to see threads about gender and trans issues moved out of 'feminism chat' to 'sex&gender' and threads that aren't headline about gender and trans moved out of S&G and in to chat.

That was the original concept, was it not?

RoseslnTheHospital · 04/04/2023 15:04

Oh please.

You have Feminism: Chat all to yourselves. It was separated off for you - is that not enough?? Now you want an additional section too??

Feminism Chat is a deadzone, tumbleweed abounds. Have at it and get creating your chosen threads fgs.

ChazsBrilliantAttitude · 04/04/2023 15:04

How about
Feminism Lite: sex & gender discussion ( male centric)

Tillytrotter67 · 04/04/2023 15:04

😂

Mocky · 04/04/2023 15:02

You'd need to call it something other than 'feminism' though. 'Men's rights'?

ChazsBrilliantAttitude · 04/04/2023 15:02

Just post in Feminism Chat if you don’t like it here. Problem solved. We didn’t want the board split in two in the first place.

EdithStourton · 04/04/2023 15:02

Nah. Sex and gender discussions were kicked out of feminism chat to the naughty step, because apparently biological reality was too much for some people.

I don't know how you can define feminism if you can't define a woman, anyway...

SirSamVimesCityWatch · 04/04/2023 15:00

No ta.