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Can MNHQ set up a new discussion category called Feminism: sex & gender discussion (inclusive, non-GC)

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PlanetLuna · 04/04/2023 14:59

MN, will you please create a talk group/category of Feminism: sex & gender discussion (inclusive, non-GC)?

MN appears to currently have only 2 feminism categories:
Feminism: chat
Feminism: sex & gender discussions

But the Feminism: sex & gender category on MN is predominantly GC, with its emphasis on trans exclusion ideology. Feminists who do not subscribe to those beliefs are often unwelcome and treated with derision and hostility in discussions. Certainly not always as some GC posters do enjoy open, intellectual discussions but often enough that engagement can be toxic & intimidating all around.

It is almost impossible for non-GC feminists to find inclusive/non-GC feminist discussions, and we have to wade through unpleasant (for us) GC threads while attempting to do so.

GC feminism dominates on UK parenting sites in particular. However, inclusive/non-GC feminism is extremely popular around the world (especially in places like the US, NZ, and AU) and in the UK among younger feminists and those who do not see trans rights as a threat to women & girls’ safety. Many UK feminists are non-GC but may feel silenced on MN.

The addition of another category will help open up and improve MN discussions while reducing the toxicity and hostility that many feminists on both sides experience in discussions.

So I propose the following feminism discussion categories:
Feminism: chat (general)
Feminism: sex & gender discussions (GC)
Feminism: sex & gender discussion (inclusive, non-GC)

@MNHQ

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SpidersAreShitheads · 04/04/2023 16:03

No one is stopping non-GC individuals from posting in Sex & Gender.

It’s just an uncomfortable fact that most women choose to centre women in their feminism. And when I say uncomfortable, I mean uncomfortable for men.

If there was such a huge demand for non-GC chat and us terrible old TERFs are such a minority, where are all the non-GC voices hiding? No one is being prevented from posting, or from commenting.

I think the issue for you OP is that the overwhelming majority of women are actually GC. And this is a forum created primarily for women.

You want a separate board because you don’t like hearing from women who disagree with you - that’s how it seems, but that’s not how a discussion forum works. Disagreeing with your POV doesn’t make posters “toxic”.

Mind you, it is nice to have a safe space isn’t it? We used to have those too before men started claiming them…..

Backstreets · 04/04/2023 16:02

You want a similar board to discuss the same news items, but talk about how marvellous it all is?

Helleofabore · 04/04/2023 16:01

ArabellaScott · 04/04/2023 15:51

Maybe the OP would prefer a board to themself?

In my day we called this a 'diary'.

😁

TinselAngel · 04/04/2023 15:59

Tinsel - you’ve got my vote

Yes. These are the kind of posts that will be encouraged on my new board.

Rowthe · 04/04/2023 15:58

Mocky · 04/04/2023 15:02

You'd need to call it something other than 'feminism' though. 'Men's rights'?

👍🏼

ChazsBrilliantAttitude · 04/04/2023 15:58

TinselAngel · 04/04/2023 15:57

I'd like a board that's just for people to say how great I am and where nobody can disagree.

Working title;
Feminism: Tinsel is Great Discussion.

Tinsel - you’ve got my vote

TinselAngel · 04/04/2023 15:57

I'd like a board that's just for people to say how great I am and where nobody can disagree.

Working title;
Feminism: Tinsel is Great Discussion.

FourTeaFallOut · 04/04/2023 15:57

ArabellaScott · 04/04/2023 15:56

I like January.

Let's never speak again.

ArabellaScott · 04/04/2023 15:56

FourTeaFallOut · 04/04/2023 15:53

I'd like a feminist board where everyone is in agreement that January is the worst month of the year, that disaster movies are the best genre and who would prefer to have a nose around a new build show home than trudge around a stately home. Who's with me? I reckon we could out-traffic chat by the end of the week.

I like January.

PastMyBestBeforeDate · 04/04/2023 15:56

Ignore the last sentence. We didn't get it dropped.

AmuseBish · 04/04/2023 15:55

And yes I agree that FWR has a few 'characters' with their own ways of posting that are hard to parse sometimes if you don't know their history. That's the same in most long-running online communities.

I've withdrawn slightly because the same voices tend to dominate and I find a lot of the chat isn't about stuff I'm that interested in having An Opinion on, or feel I can change, or is the same sort of discussion we've had for years on end. (Not a criticism!).

The ones that most engage me are the factual or legal ones. I know this will be different for everyone.

AHyenaofMN · 04/04/2023 15:55

PronounssheRa · 04/04/2023 15:54

Oohhh, nice name

Fanks. I like spots. And feel an affinity with feliform carnivoran mammals.

Whaeanui · 04/04/2023 15:55

So you’d like a safe space where you don’t get overwhelmed when people challenge ideas and opinions? Sorry, I don’t think the internet’s for you! The irony of you needing this while you spend lots of time on the royal boards defending Harry against actual hostility and toxicity that is far far more challenging than anything I’ve ever seen here. I think you can handle it here just fine @PlanetLuna and please don’t make generalisations about what people in NZ think, you have no idea

ArabellaScott · 04/04/2023 15:54

OP, this is what 'Feminism Chat' board was supposed to be for. So - your problem is solved and your very sincere prayers have been answered!

Happy days, you need not wade through any of these horrible threads anymore.

PronounssheRa · 04/04/2023 15:54

AHyenaofMN · 04/04/2023 15:53

At least this thread has brought us a new insult, which is always nice. On a Monday, too!

Oohhh, nice name

FourTeaFallOut · 04/04/2023 15:53

RoseslnTheHospital · 04/04/2023 15:41

I mean, maybe we'll end up with dozens of "Feminism: done the way I say" boards littering around. All of them as popular as the current Feminism: Chat board is, with its resident tumbleweed. Might look a bit untidy after a while.

I'd like a feminist board where everyone is in agreement that January is the worst month of the year, that disaster movies are the best genre and who would prefer to have a nose around a new build show home than trudge around a stately home. Who's with me? I reckon we could out-traffic chat by the end of the week.

AHyenaofMN · 04/04/2023 15:53

At least this thread has brought us a new insult, which is always nice. On a Monday, too!

Beowulfa · 04/04/2023 15:52

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AmuseBish · 04/04/2023 15:52

To be called a hyena is really fucking unkind to be honest. I'm feeling fragile, I have no idea what that poster is talking about and yet now I'm a hyena. Yet these are the posters demanding higher standards of civility.

I really, really wish people could post what was actually said - there's a copy and paste function on most devices - rather than re-characterise them in horrible ways. It's yet another form of dishonesty.

ArabellaScott · 04/04/2023 15:51

FourTeaFallOut · 04/04/2023 15:10

🙄 You want a board which excludes opinions which you disagree with because you can't find traction on a board that doesn't exclude your opinion?

Maybe the OP would prefer a board to themself?

In my day we called this a 'diary'.

missingthewinchesterboys · 04/04/2023 15:51

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OldCrone · 04/04/2023 15:50

There are posters that will be vicious on any thread but the feminist ones seem to attract the worst.

You've obviously never visited AIBU.

Floisme · 04/04/2023 15:49

Are you saying you don't want a debate op? Because I'm afraid you're about four years too late.

tolerable · 04/04/2023 15:49

if MNltbghq do
could they also consider a exclusive entitled PEOPLE talk board catagory of all/inclusive/humans.
I really feel as a fairly disintrested and uninvolved in the genderising specifics and non extremist view points with angles and agendas - somewhere the luxury of anon can be all encompassing to extent your salary,relationship status,sexual preference are irrelevant or at very least remain private. almost like actual grown ups who have the lived world knowledge that everyone is a little different but also have the capacity to accept this without. a little nod to highlighting their pedestal platform and just give auto response feedback\advice.?

AmuseBish · 04/04/2023 15:49

On other sections of mumsnet, do you find you agree with every poster? Do you demand a separate board for the ones you don't like the tone of? Or do you just scroll past them, like most sensible people?

I wonder why it's this particular space where being asked to clarify what you meant in what is clearly a goady OP is seen as 'hostility'.

I don't agree with many of the posters on here yet I seem to post threads I want to chat about and ignore or question the ones I disagree with.

I won't accept dishonesty though, and will try and seek genuine answers from people that post unsubstantiated or contradictory things.

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