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Can MNHQ set up a new discussion category called Feminism: sex & gender discussion (inclusive, non-GC)

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PlanetLuna · 04/04/2023 14:59

MN, will you please create a talk group/category of Feminism: sex & gender discussion (inclusive, non-GC)?

MN appears to currently have only 2 feminism categories:
Feminism: chat
Feminism: sex & gender discussions

But the Feminism: sex & gender category on MN is predominantly GC, with its emphasis on trans exclusion ideology. Feminists who do not subscribe to those beliefs are often unwelcome and treated with derision and hostility in discussions. Certainly not always as some GC posters do enjoy open, intellectual discussions but often enough that engagement can be toxic & intimidating all around.

It is almost impossible for non-GC feminists to find inclusive/non-GC feminist discussions, and we have to wade through unpleasant (for us) GC threads while attempting to do so.

GC feminism dominates on UK parenting sites in particular. However, inclusive/non-GC feminism is extremely popular around the world (especially in places like the US, NZ, and AU) and in the UK among younger feminists and those who do not see trans rights as a threat to women & girls’ safety. Many UK feminists are non-GC but may feel silenced on MN.

The addition of another category will help open up and improve MN discussions while reducing the toxicity and hostility that many feminists on both sides experience in discussions.

So I propose the following feminism discussion categories:
Feminism: chat (general)
Feminism: sex & gender discussions (GC)
Feminism: sex & gender discussion (inclusive, non-GC)

@MNHQ

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TeenDivided · 04/04/2023 16:14

AmuseBish · 04/04/2023 16:11

Inclusive as in not threatened by using the term cis to describe people like myself during discourse.

I'm not threatened by you calling yourself cis, if you feel you:
a) have a womanly gender identity,
b) and a female body, and
c) you believe that 'woman matches female'.

That's fine. There you go, I'm inclusive. Now will you engage?

If people what to describe themselves as 'cis' that is fine.

But is not for people to describe others as cis. It's all self-id isnt it, you don't get to define me. If I say I have no belief in gender as being a real thing, you can't label me as 'cis' as that literally means body and self view of gender aligning.

PronounssheRa · 04/04/2023 16:13

Inclusive, as in not preoccupied with demonising trans people as part of my feminist worldview. Inclusive as in not threatened by using the term cis to describe people like myself during discourse.Im not threatened by the word cis, but i profoundly disagree with it being applied to me because I don't identify with gender stereotypes, and cis assumes I do.

Pixiedust1234 · 04/04/2023 16:12

KG74 · 04/04/2023 16:04

Yes please!!!! I literally post nothing on MumsNet for fear of a pile-on.

Out of interest, if this new board materialised- what sort of things would you want to be on it that couldn't be in the Fem Chat or elsewhere? Specifically?

Happylittlechicken · 04/04/2023 16:11

But if you’re excluding people… how is that inclusive? Do you have a list of what opinions will be permitted in said board? Who gets to control it? What subjects are allowed to be discussed?

Florissante · 04/04/2023 16:11

ArabellaScott · 04/04/2023 16:09

Ooh, I love a good shunning. Make sure you get my best side, now.

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Only if you volunteer to water the pot plants.

AmuseBish · 04/04/2023 16:11

Inclusive as in not threatened by using the term cis to describe people like myself during discourse.

I'm not threatened by you calling yourself cis, if you feel you:
a) have a womanly gender identity,
b) and a female body, and
c) you believe that 'woman matches female'.

That's fine. There you go, I'm inclusive. Now will you engage?

TeenDivided · 04/04/2023 16:10

@ConstanceOcean even on this thread there are posters that instead of discussing the pros and cons of OPs idea, they have resorted to being childish and saying silly things.

The trouble is, the OP hasn't been clear on what kind of threads / discussions they would want on sex & gender that aren't already covered by this board.
The OP hasn't answered any questions relating to this.

if you are going to be 'inclusive' (of who when excluding GC views?) won't it be a non-discussion? If everyone on the board agrees TWAW what will there be left to discuss?

ArabellaScott · 04/04/2023 16:09

Florissante · 04/04/2023 16:08

Shun the infidel!

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Ooh, I love a good shunning. Make sure you get my best side, now.

AmuseBish · 04/04/2023 16:09

I’ve lost count of how many posters are called trolls or men just because they have a slightly different opinion.

I've been called a troll and a man. Weirdly my fingers didn't drop off and I'm still able to answer a question and state my opinions.
If you're so unsure of your views that they can't withstand someone on the internet being a bit rude then perhaps they're not really worth creating a new board to express?

Happylittlechicken · 04/04/2023 16:08

So @PlanetLuna how exactly are you going to prevent people posting in the “wrong” board? You do know you can hide threads you don’t want to engage with?

ArabellaScott · 04/04/2023 16:08

KG74 · 04/04/2023 16:05

Wow, it took 28 seconds for somebody to do exactly what I said I feared! well don, you win the GC pile on 1st place.

In all sincerity, if you can't handle someone responding to something you've posted, at all, then can I gently suggest an internet discussion board is perhaps not the best place to hang out?

Florissante · 04/04/2023 16:08

ArabellaScott · 04/04/2023 15:56

I like January.

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Shun the infidel!

Whaeanui · 04/04/2023 16:07

Have you asked for a ‘we love Harry and Meghan’ board as well @PlanetLuna because you seem happy to engage against quite defensive royalists on the royal board? It’s so weird this board intimidates you but not that one

RoseslnTheHospital · 04/04/2023 16:05

@PlanetLuna any chance of responding to the idea of using Feminism: Chat for your chosen threads and encouraging the calibre of discussion that you want by only responding to approved posts on those threads? What is stopping you from trying that?

KG74 · 04/04/2023 16:05

Wow, it took 28 seconds for somebody to do exactly what I said I feared! well don, you win the GC pile on 1st place.

ArabellaScott · 04/04/2023 16:05

being childish and saying silly things

the humanity.

AmuseBish · 04/04/2023 16:05

@PlanetLuna please explain what you think GC means in a way that people who are GC would agree is an accurate definition.

Bamboux · 04/04/2023 16:05

I missed @ConstanceOcean link to the thread where everyone ripped to shreds the mother seeking advice re her trans child. Could you repost please @ConstanceOcean ? Thanks 😊

Alltheprettyseahorses · 04/04/2023 16:04

I quite like disagreement, the more robust the better imo. It's an opportunity to possibly learn something, while honing my own argument. Echo chambers are a bad thing.

SirSamVimesCityWatch · 04/04/2023 16:04

KG74 · 04/04/2023 16:04

Yes please!!!! I literally post nothing on MumsNet for fear of a pile-on.

And yet, here you are...?

ConstanceOcean · 04/04/2023 16:04

ODFOx · 04/04/2023 15:44

While I agree that the sex and gender topic can be a but overwhelming, I don't think that there should be any areas of site where discussion us not allowed: so an area of feminism for trans inclusion without discussion is pointless. I would be very disappointed to see any topics with only one viewpoint allowed on any issue.
What would be nice is if the sex and gender area were more discursive generally. It has become a bit of a notice board rather than a discussion. Those who wander in to ask questions or dip their toe in the water are generally given short shrift as ploppers or trolls so the atmosphere is far from helpful.

I think that the regulars on the board forget that this isn't a hot topic for 95% of people, so there should be an open dialogue to let the light in all the time.
Yes it is repetitive. Yes it does encourage those with the same arguments over and over, but it is supposed to be a discussion board.

Exactly this!

This forum is meant to be a place to have a discussion but it seems on the feminist board you cannot have a discussion.

I’ve lost count of how many posters are called trolls or men just because they have a slightly different opinion.

Some posters are more concerned with trying to silence people, rather than having an adult discussion and potentially changing someone’s views on things.

Even on this thread there are posters that instead of discussing the pros and cons of OPs idea, they have resorted to being childish and saying silly things.

Florissante · 04/04/2023 16:04

lechiffre55 · 04/04/2023 15:35

There always the place where they farm kiwis. I'm sure you'll have a great time there.

Nope. They absolutely take no prisoners there. The OP would not last five seconds.

KG74 · 04/04/2023 16:04

Yes please!!!! I literally post nothing on MumsNet for fear of a pile-on.

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PlanetLuna · 04/04/2023 16:04

PronounssheRa · 04/04/2023 15:38

(inclusive, non-GC)?

That is funny.

Inclusive, but not Inclusive

Inclusive, as in not preoccupied with demonising trans people as part of my feminist worldview. Inclusive as in not threatened by using the term cis to describe people like myself during discourse.

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AmuseBish · 04/04/2023 16:03

So I think we've established that OP doesn't actually know what 'GC' means or what 'non-GC feminism' is, or that they are so rude that they plop in here with claims about them but can't even be bothered to engage?

Never changes, does it? And then they pretend to wonder why the 10000th thread about 'why GC is wrong although I can't say what it is' gets short shrift.

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