Can MNHQ set up a new discussion category called Feminism: sex & gender discussion (inclusive, non-GC)

I wholly agree with @nepeta - what you are describing is simply not feminism nor any category within it because it's alignment with sex and gender is mutually binding.

You also label gender critical as anti trans which is strictly isn't. It solely centres women and girls as a priority which, is compromised by the inclusion of men and places a societal threat to women greater than already exists today.

Women are not a minority yet we hold second class citizenship based on our sex. There is no environment where including men in that sex class generates positive, improved outcomes for women and girls. It is purely degenerative in every essence of patriarchal dominance.

What you think is liberal feminism, simply isn't.

I am not a proper, academic, GC feminist in everything I think but find it is fine on this board. I am sure there are many others like me who found it by chance. There is the other one not called “sex and gender” for those who prefer it.

None of the TRAs ever explain the whole premise of their argument - that humans can change sex. Everyone knows they can’t. Society had evolved to a point where really everyone could wear what they liked, call themselves what they like. That wasn’t enough. Now we are being asked to lie about material reality. To accept that some people are indeed neither male or female. None of those things are true. People in general were happy to go along with the pretence because they felt compassion for people who are deeply confused about who they are. However as I say no pro trans poster has ever provided a cogent argument to support the idea that you can be born in the wrong body, quite simply because you can’t.

Tell us who CPAC in Australia is please. Because that is who you are talking about. CPAC Australia.

Meanwhile, actual conservative women have got Kishwar Faulkner to write an amazing letter.

That must sting in your Brighton salon you are permitted to hold by Russel Lloyd whatever his irrelevant name is, despite all the right wing denouncing you have done the hated right wing are doing what we need.

I've read up to here and cannot cope any more with this nonsense. FEMINISM IS GENDER CRITICAL. IT IS WHAT IT IS!!! Anything else is appropriation. For those of you spouting any other such nonsense, know your flippin history. Without gender critical feminists you wouldn't be able to be writing such rubbish In fact you wouldn't have access to a computer without having to ask your husband for it. The lack of respect for the feminism that went before you is so uneducated you should be ashamed really. Research Germaine Greer, research Simone de Beauvoir, research the suffragettes, read The Women's Room. Know where we have come from. It is galling that you are so ill informed. Many of us here fought for you to have a voice, and you use it to betray women who are most vulnerable.

If you are prepared to allow the female sex class to be redefined into a mixed sex category in order to pander to the poor mental health or fantasy of some males then you are no feminist.

If you think removing women's right to single sex spaces, services and sports for no good reason other than it hurts male feelings to be told no, you are no feminist.

If you think a woman is anything other than an adult human female, you are no feminist.

Feminists centre females.

Sex is binary. It can't change.

Gender is sexist stereotypes.
There is no innate magic gender essence.

They already split the feminist section to pander to those offended by biological reality.

Go ask for a special trans board, or try reddit or any of the other women hating sites.

It's funny that those offended by GC women can not come up with any coherent, logical, intelligent argument for gender identity ideology.
The only thing we see from TRAs is emotional blackmail or threats.

It’s actually because the vast majority of people throughout the world know you can’t change sex. People were content to live and let live until men kept insisting on getting in to women’s spaces and calling them bigots for saying actually I don’t want a man exposing his penis to my elderly mother in a swimming pool changing room or my daughter or me for that matter.

DID YOU KNOW that slugs are hermaphrodites?

NSFW:

The lies, my eyes, they love those lies.

How many times are we to see the lies, they want a whole Mumsnet board for the lies so that the lies don't get the eyes on the lies and they can talk about these men to their hearts content.

Hahahaha.

Posie Parkers tour was sponsored by CPAC a far right group. The links are real.

You can start a thread. The issue is the majority are not agreeing with you. This is the only place on the internet where women can talk about these issues so the population of those not agreeing will be high.

You can go to any other part of the internet. Reddit is utterly captured by moderators who agree with your views so would suggest there (aka basement incel men).

But you don’t have to go anywhere. You can also stay here. But you can’t make everyone agree with you or create an artificial ‘only people who agree with me’ area.

Indeed @Whaeanui , I didn't name them either, they outed themselves! .
Anyway I just wanted to give a heads up on here to beware of some posters, I've got to go ( home life!🙄) keep on plodding 😃

I think what you are asking for, OP, is an echo chamber, the like of which is available to you all over the Internet.

How ridic. That does not demonstrate that GC people are far right. It demonstrates a broad church of people, the vast majority of humanity in every country on the globe, are GC. It does not itself demonstrate that GC beliefs are far right. I really object to the idea that GC is a movement per se. It’s biological reality. The actual movement is transgenderism. Do you ever wonder who is behind that?

So not on FWR which is what I was referring to?

The claims:

1. Julie Bindel smiling and having her photo taken with The Heritage Foundation.
2. Kathleen Stock discussing with people on twitter that hanging out with an anti-choice campaigner is fine.
3. JK Rowling praising Matt Walsh's transphobic and extreme right wing film saying 'you make some good points' in front of her millions of followers. This can all be easily found on twitter and probably elsewhere.

(1) can find nothing on this, perhaps some confusion with another person and group as PP have suggested

(2) I think you're referring to this comment from Stock:

"I’m pro-choice. It may surprise some to know I talk to people who are positively pro-life. Not just their pro-choice political allies, who you also revile. But the full-on pro-lifers. They have fine qualities. I refuse to do this splitting. A person - yes, even you- is a mix." made on Twitter on 24/06/2022.

I'd like to know more about why this makes Stock beyond the pale? She is suggesting that engaging with people who have different view points is necessary for progress to be made.

(3) This is what JK Rowling said to Walsh:

"And your film did a good job exposing the incoherence of gender identity theory and some of the harms it's done. Many institutions I used to admire have uncritically embraced this dogma, but I reserve my ire for them rather than shouting 'coward' at individual women."

She is in the process of disagreeing with him about how women handle the attacks they receive from activists online if they express views that don't align with the gender ideology orthodoxy.

I'd love to have some feedback on this from @onegirlandherdog but I appreciate you don't want to post any more on this thread.

And @jeffgoldblum was NOT ‘poking’ they made a valid point about the way you post and were very gracious despite the awful post you directed at them. I cannot understand how you’ve completely changed the narrative.

Explain how please, rather than simply throwing around wild allegations. Provide specifics.

@jeffgoldblum so you and I go out of our way to give her the benefit of the doubt on two separate matters and yet here she treats us with total disdain, and now trying to completely change the narrative both with the way she spoke to you and the Camilla white supremacist slur…. Not cool, not cool at all.

I am grateful someone posted this article yesterday as it has given me a better understanding of some sorts of feminists.

https://savageminds.substack.com/p/anatomy-of-the-near-murder-of-kellie?post_id=112245546
https://savageminds.substack.com/p/anatomy-of-the-near-murder-of-kellie?isFreemail=true&post_id=112245546&publication_id=65949

@Whaeanui , I'm in complete agreement, I too felt bad for the poster and gave her the benefit of the doubt, however, having all her posts removed, and changing the narrative is extremely incriminating and now I think all done to stir trouble!

Because many people agree that what she is doing is far more powerful than accepted feminism.

The feminism of universities the feminism of the Women's Equality Party, the Feminism of NGOs, simply doesn't reach ordinary women.

I have tried hard to get involved in that feminism but it's competitive, sharp elbowed, heirachical, dependent on academic ideas and publishing and very very narrow in it's acceptable range of opinions.

It's not accessible. That's not feminist to me. I have left the modern industrial feminism movement because it's selling poor quality stuff.

@jeffgoldblum yes absolutely. How boring life would be if we all agree but I don’t remember me telling anyone on the royal boards to fuck off when we disagree, nor you!! you were very good natured about it! And no I wasn’t the one that reported it. I think MN were watching the thread