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Can MNHQ set up a new discussion category called Feminism: sex & gender discussion (inclusive, non-GC)

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PlanetLuna · 04/04/2023 14:59

MN, will you please create a talk group/category of Feminism: sex & gender discussion (inclusive, non-GC)?

MN appears to currently have only 2 feminism categories:
Feminism: chat
Feminism: sex & gender discussions

But the Feminism: sex & gender category on MN is predominantly GC, with its emphasis on trans exclusion ideology. Feminists who do not subscribe to those beliefs are often unwelcome and treated with derision and hostility in discussions. Certainly not always as some GC posters do enjoy open, intellectual discussions but often enough that engagement can be toxic & intimidating all around.

It is almost impossible for non-GC feminists to find inclusive/non-GC feminist discussions, and we have to wade through unpleasant (for us) GC threads while attempting to do so.

GC feminism dominates on UK parenting sites in particular. However, inclusive/non-GC feminism is extremely popular around the world (especially in places like the US, NZ, and AU) and in the UK among younger feminists and those who do not see trans rights as a threat to women & girls’ safety. Many UK feminists are non-GC but may feel silenced on MN.

The addition of another category will help open up and improve MN discussions while reducing the toxicity and hostility that many feminists on both sides experience in discussions.

So I propose the following feminism discussion categories:
Feminism: chat (general)
Feminism: sex & gender discussions (GC)
Feminism: sex & gender discussion (inclusive, non-GC)

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Callixte · 17/01/2024 00:45

I think this thread proves what almost all of us already knew.

RocketPanda · 16/01/2024 19:51

@ArabellaScott female hyenas have a pseudo penis so the TRAs would call them trans.

IwantToRetire · 16/01/2024 17:13

NeighbourhoodWatchPotholeDivision · 16/01/2024 13:49

The OP got banned long ago. The thread shouldn't have been bumped.

Let it die!

exactly

Apollo441 · 16/01/2024 15:42

BlessedKali · 16/01/2024 15:22

But the Meninists just want somewhere where they can spout shite and not be disagreed with. All 3 of them.

Wherever they go we will follow and continue to ask questions (which they can never answer). They are always welcome to come onto Sex and Gender Discussions), it is for everyone after all but funnily enough, when they do, they can never answer any questions. So do they want a discussion board where you can't have a discussion?

BlessedKali · 16/01/2024 15:22

But the Meninists just want somewhere where they can spout shite and not be disagreed with. All 3 of them.

Feckedupbundle · 16/01/2024 15:16

It's never enough,is it?
One of the very few places on the internet,where one can state that sex is binary,and men can never become women,but can't have that it's not 'inclusive'.

ArabellaScott · 16/01/2024 14:48

Sorry, Pots. 😂

ArabellaScott · 16/01/2024 14:47

Well, okay, but I did quite enjoy being called a Frothing Hyena. It made a change from Pearl Clutching Viper.

NeighbourhoodWatchPotholeDivision · 16/01/2024 13:49

The OP got banned long ago. The thread shouldn't have been bumped.

Let it die!

donquixotedelamancha · 16/01/2024 13:47

But the Feminism: sex & gender category on MN is predominantly GC

A lot of black rights activism is quite critical of racism. Most disabled rights activists seem to be against disability discrimination.

I don't really see how you can be a feminist and not criticise gender @PlanetLuna? What exactly does pro-sexism Feminism look like?

PrawnLiberationFront · 16/01/2024 13:40

KvotheTheBloodless · 04/04/2023 15:05

WTF? Confused

The whole point of having 2 separate categories for feminism on MN (Chat and Sex & Gender) was so that liberal feminists could keep using Feminism Chat whilst the GC folk moved their discussions of the intersection of trans rights and women's rights to a dedicated section. Now you're saying you want yet another area for lib fems?

You can ask for different sections for different topics, but you can't reasonably ask that only people who agree with you post on particular topics, that's bonkers!

Why on earth do you think the only two possible categories people could fall into are "lib fems" and "GC"?

Ariana12 · 16/01/2024 13:33

New and interesting ( depressing) Sex Matters report out today https://sex-matters.org/ on Women's Services entitled a service silenced.

Sex Matters

We are campaigning to establish that sex matters in rules, laws, policies, language and culture.

https://sex-matters.org

ReadersD1gest · 09/04/2023 14:39

OnlyTheWeedsGrow · 09/04/2023 14:39

And probably has one, too…

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😂

OnlyTheWeedsGrow · 09/04/2023 14:39

Ritasueandbobtoo9 · 08/04/2023 22:20

Look, men aren’t women. Anybody who thinks otherwise is a dick.

And probably has one, too…

WickedSerious · 09/04/2023 08:40

Ritasueandbobtoo9 · 08/04/2023 22:20

Look, men aren’t women. Anybody who thinks otherwise is a dick.

I'm getting this on a t shirt.

Ritasueandbobtoo9 · 08/04/2023 22:20

Look, men aren’t women. Anybody who thinks otherwise is a dick.

howdoesatoastermaketoast · 08/04/2023 22:11

People of either sex can be imprisoned, beaten, kidnapped, and people of either sex can be raped; but only people of the female sex can be impregnated and forced to birth children whilst imprisoned.

howdoesatoastermaketoast · 08/04/2023 22:06

"they do this to us because we were born girls".

absolutely,

haXXor · 08/04/2023 21:03

howdoesatoastermaketoast · 08/04/2023 18:00

@haXXor saw this and thought of you (and I mean that in the nicest possible way)
https://edition.cnn.com/2023/04/08/asia/chinese-woman-chained-torture-intl-hnk/index.html (no hideous images but story is a bit grim )

"The Xuzhou Intermediate People’s Court in Jiangsu province sentenced Dong Zhimin to nine years for the torture and illegal imprisonment of the woman and five others to terms ranging from eight to 13 years for her abduction, sale and imprisonment.

The woman, referred to as “Little Huamei” (Little Blossom) in court records, is thought to have been abducted and sold on several occasions, and to have given birth to eight children by her final captor.

The first time she was abducted, she was taken from her home province of Yunnan, in the southwest of China, at the beginning of 1998 and sold to a farmer in Jiangsu, an eastern coastal province, for the equivalent of $1,180.

She then disappeared in mid-1998 before being spotted in Henan province, central China, where she was sold to human traffickers for the equivalent of $700, according to court documents cited by Chinese state media.

Those traffickers then took her back to Jiangsu later that year and sold her to Dong and his father, again for $1,180. "

I find it telling that having been imprisoned by them for 25 years as well as forced to bear 8 children no one got a sentence longer than 13 years.

Linked below, this account of forced abortions and rape in North Korean prisons.

When men want children, they forcibly them through rape. When they don't want children, they force abortions. Women are hurt, every time.

To quote Hibo Wardere (who was talking about FGM, but it applies here), "they do this to us because we were born girls".

Torture, forced abortions and insects for food: Life inside North Korean jails, says this NGO | CNN

Extrajudicial executions, rape, forced abortions, jail without trial, torture, starvation rations that leave prisoners so hungry some turn to eating insects.

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/03/23/asia/north-korea-torture-prison-report-intl-hnk-dst/index.html

howdoesatoastermaketoast · 08/04/2023 18:00

@haXXor saw this and thought of you (and I mean that in the nicest possible way)
https://edition.cnn.com/2023/04/08/asia/chinese-woman-chained-torture-intl-hnk/index.html (no hideous images but story is a bit grim )

"The Xuzhou Intermediate People’s Court in Jiangsu province sentenced Dong Zhimin to nine years for the torture and illegal imprisonment of the woman and five others to terms ranging from eight to 13 years for her abduction, sale and imprisonment.

The woman, referred to as “Little Huamei” (Little Blossom) in court records, is thought to have been abducted and sold on several occasions, and to have given birth to eight children by her final captor.

The first time she was abducted, she was taken from her home province of Yunnan, in the southwest of China, at the beginning of 1998 and sold to a farmer in Jiangsu, an eastern coastal province, for the equivalent of $1,180.

She then disappeared in mid-1998 before being spotted in Henan province, central China, where she was sold to human traffickers for the equivalent of $700, according to court documents cited by Chinese state media.

Those traffickers then took her back to Jiangsu later that year and sold her to Dong and his father, again for $1,180. "

I find it telling that having been imprisoned by them for 25 years as well as forced to bear 8 children no one got a sentence longer than 13 years.

A woman was chained and tortured in China and the images put online. Six people have been jailed | CNN

A Chinese court on Friday sentenced six people to jail for their roles in the human trafficking and abuse of a woman whose appearance in an online video showing her chained by the neck sparked a public outcry.

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/04/08/asia/chinese-woman-chained-torture-intl-hnk/index.html

WickedSerious · 08/04/2023 17:43

RedToothBrush · 08/04/2023 14:31

The question about how many women and children are acceptable collateral never gets answered.

I think Ben Bradshaw MP has a good line on this:
https://twitter.com/Docstockk/status/1644681029750251521

Its along the lines of 'thousands of women are the victims of male violence every year, so the danger to women won't actually increase that much'.

That's alright then,looks like we've been worrying our silly little heads over nothing.

SinnerBoy · 08/04/2023 16:32

RedToothBrush· Today 14:31

I think Ben Bradshaw MP has a good line on this:

That puts me in mind of Stalin's quip:

100 people killed is a tragedy, a million is a statistic.

MsRosley · 08/04/2023 16:29

'unpleasant' GC threads

Just this one word tells you everything you need to know about the OP.

Notatmine · 08/04/2023 14:43

Kathleen Stock is right. That is one of the arguments that disgusts me most. But at least it’s honest. It’s basically, ‘ I just don’t care that much about women being killed or harmed, so it doesn’t bother me if it happens to more of them. And I’d certainly rather more of them were hurt than some men be limited in any way’

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