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Starmer: Almost no-one is talking about trans issues

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SidewaysOtter · 03/04/2023 12:13

To quote from the rolling news section of this morning's Times:

"Almost no Britons are “talking about trans issues,” Sir Keir Starmer has said as he questioned why such issues are a focus of political debate.

The Labour leader sought to win over gender critical campaigners and MPs at the weekend, telling The Sunday Times there would be “no rolling back” of women’s rights if the party formed a government.

Speaking to LBC this morning he repeated his position that “for the vast majority — let’s say 99.9 per cent — biology matters” in defining a woman. He said that Labour was trying to agree a “common sense, respectable and tolerant position”, but that it was “not prepared to ignore” the small number of people who identify as a different gender to the one they were born in.

He insisted it was a marginal issue for many voters, however. “As we go around the country campaigning, I talk to thousands and thousands and thousands of people. They want to talk to me about the cost of living crisis, about the fact they can’t pay their bills, they want to know what they’re going to do about their council tax,” he said.

“Almost nobody is talking about trans issues. I do sometimes just wonder why on earth we spend so much of our time discussing something which isn’t a feature of the dinner table or the kitchen table or the café table or the bar.”

Funny, because I think there's quite a lot of people talking about "trans issues". Whether it's the treatment of Posie Parker and the 72-year-old woman who were violently assaulted last weekend, male-bodied people in women's sports/changing rooms/hospital wards/prisons, the medicalisation/mutilation of young adults, or the vilification of those who speak The Terrible Heresy that you cannot change your biological sex. And yes, we're talking about it at the dinner table, the café bar or wherever.

"No rolling back of women's rights" doesn't mean shit if you count men as women, Mr Starmer. And you can wang on about "respect and tolerance" all you like but we know what you really mean by that is wanting us to be quiet and stop being awkward. That isn't going to happen.

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rogdmum · 03/04/2023 12:21

Well we sure are in Scotland. 🤔

Ndd135632 · 03/04/2023 12:20

As a woman and mother of a daughter - the erosion of women’s rights occupies my mind for a few hours every day.

How lovely for Kier that he can demote the topic.

Hepwo · 03/04/2023 12:19

I don't believe for a minute he talks to thousands and thousands of people.

He gives speeches to large groups of people, that is not the same thing.

Speak honestly man.

eleanorwish · 03/04/2023 12:16

I made sure I talked about it when Tory and Labour canvassers knocked on my door a couple of weeks ago.

SidewaysOtter · 03/04/2023 12:15

Oh, and to copy across my comment from the other Starmer thread - he can't claim no-one is talking if he and his party refuse to listen.

Claiming you didn't hear because you stuffed your fingers in your ears or shut down debate doesn't mean no-one is talking about it, only that you refuse to listen. And this is what means we won't vote for him or his party.

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