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Majorly outed myself at work

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cheshirecatssmile · 28/03/2023 12:41

I work for the nhs. Yesterday we were handed some laminated shite about gender identity information.
The fella handed it to me saying it had come from the inclusion &diversity dude. He's also LBGT+ lead and my head of nursing.

I showed the laminate to some gay members of my team. They were disgusted by the wording.

So I emailed the heads of nursing, stating the bloody obvious.
I had backing off my manager who didn't want the laminate on the staff room wall.

So pressed send. Had radio silence back.

I'm now getting my ducks in a row, maybe not needed , but just in case.

I had also sent them a foi regarding there partnership with stonewall.

It's either going to be how do we shut her up or how do we distance ourselves from it.

Either way big black mark against my name.

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AudHvamm · 28/03/2023 19:47

@Allthecheeseplease I think it's interesting you self-censor the "N" word but not the "Q" word while acknowledging both can be offensive.

This!

Gassylady · 18/05/2023 19:15

T shirts not for me but the stickers with the qr code 👏👏

cheshirecatssmile · 18/05/2023 17:21

Gassylady · 18/05/2023 17:12

@Cailin66 Where might one purchase a Union Jill t shirt? I too wear my suffragette ribbon pin (FWS) on my lanyard in work Sadly it doesn’t stand out well against the NHS blue. However my 21st century suffragette mug has been noticed and commented on positively

Got mine off the standing for women site

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Gassylady · 18/05/2023 17:12

@Cailin66 Where might one purchase a Union Jill t shirt? I too wear my suffragette ribbon pin (FWS) on my lanyard in work Sadly it doesn’t stand out well against the NHS blue. However my 21st century suffragette mug has been noticed and commented on positively

cheshirecatssmile · 18/05/2023 17:02

Cards have arrived . If anyone has a message please dm me and I will write and post.
No names needed
Totally anonymous

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FannyCann · 16/05/2023 10:11

Thanks@cheshirecatssmile

cheshirecatssmile · 16/05/2023 10:11

And thank you those who have dm me. I will try and answer each of you when I can.
You are all wonderful and thank you for the support

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cheshirecatssmile · 16/05/2023 10:09

@FannyCann
No that's not me but I think I know who you mean. I'm on the app atm when I get home I will dm you.

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FannyCann · 16/05/2023 08:39

I lost my twitter account and am starting again all over. It's so annoying, I can't remember the twitter handles of all the lovely people (from a range of backgrounds/interests) I interacted with and can't find so many of them.

There was a nurse who works in neuro rehabilitation and was shocked to discover about Annexe B and has been on a mission ever since.

Is that you OP?

If anyone knows her twitter can you let me know please? OP obviously DM me if it's you.

Thanks.

FannyCann · 16/05/2023 07:57

Great speech OP. Well done.
Also well done to that midwife whoever she is.

Teaandscone · 15/05/2023 21:25

Well said!

SerafinasGoose · 15/05/2023 21:00

cheshirecatssmile · 02/05/2023 19:52

Will be amusing at speakers corner as my mum (70) is coming with me.
She has stuck stuff to the lamp post outside her house 'to give the dog walkers something to read'

I'm hoping my union Jill T-shirt arrives before I leave Friday that I ordered.

Got lots of stickers from birdie
#cheshirecatontour 🙌🏻

'Union Jill'. That is brilliant. Straight out of 'The Worm that Turned!'

caniexchangesil · 15/05/2023 19:47

I'm just looking at annexe b - what an appalling sack of shite.

"If, on admission, it is impossible to ask the view of the person because he or she is unconscious or incapacitated then, in the first instance, inferences should be drawn from presentation and mode of dress. No investigation as to the genital sex of the person should be undertaken unless this is specifically necessary to carry out treatment" - what does this even mean? So of unconscious, short-haired and wearing no make up, the person - even if obviously female - should be accommodated in the men's ward?

"This approach may be varied under special circumstances where, for instance, the treatment is sex-specific and necessitates a trans person being placed in an otherwise opposite gender ward. Such departures should be proportionate to achieving a ‘legitimate aim’, for instance, a safe nursing environment. This may arise, for instance, when a trans man is having a hysterectomy in a hospital, or hospital ward that is designated specifically for women, and no side room is available." - absolutely illogical. If males can be accommodated in 'single sex' women's spaces, then why can't females who've had a hysterectomy be on the male ward? What does 'sex-specific' treatment even mean when you've re-interpreted sex to mean 'whatever men need it to mean to be properly serviced by women?

"Non-binary individuals, who do not identify as being male or female, should also be asked discreetly about their preferences, and allocated to the male or female ward according to their choice" - is the assumption that everyone not declaring themselves as trans or non-binary actually does identify as male or female? Have they no regard for evidence bases now? Bit worrying in the NHS

Awful, awful, poorly thought through misogynistic rubbish.

CryptoFascistMadameCholet · 15/05/2023 16:52

A new gay colleague at my work asked me directly if I was a Terf.

😆

I usually reply with something like ‘More terf adjacent really… terv-ish’

WickedSerious · 15/05/2023 16:44

cheshirecatssmile · 15/05/2023 15:10

Shock horror gay people working for the nhs who speak to a terf 🙄

The very idea.

Cailin66 · 15/05/2023 15:32

cheshirecatssmile · 15/05/2023 15:10

Shock horror gay people working for the nhs who speak to a terf 🙄

A new gay colleague at my work asked me directly if I was a Terf. I now wear a little suffragette pin on my top, today I've a new laynard for my ID, Nobody has commented on it yet, It says Woman Adult Human Female at the bottom, but you'd really have to bend down to my belly button to read it. I purchased from the Kellie JK website along with some lovely stickers. And if anyone says anything I'm just going to say it's the suffragtte colours. And the woman adult Human Female is what I am. So I can't be caught for Terf crimes.

cheshirecatssmile · 15/05/2023 15:23

No probs. I will shout out when they arrive hopefully tomorrow

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AmaryllisNightAndDay · 15/05/2023 15:18

O thanks @cheshirecatssmile I'm not on Twitter so maybe I'll take advantage of one of your cards if I may?

cheshirecatssmile · 15/05/2023 15:10

MerlinsLostMarbles · 15/05/2023 15:06

I showed the laminate to some gay members of my team"

Sure they did. If they exist.

Shock horror gay people working for the nhs who speak to a terf 🙄

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MerlinsLostMarbles · 15/05/2023 15:06

I showed the laminate to some gay members of my team"

Sure they did. If they exist.

cheshirecatssmile · 15/05/2023 15:04

@AmaryllisNightAndDay if you are on Twitter follow @no2annexb just message them and they will write your message to nhs England and post it. Over 6500 have been sent so far.
I've got a delivery of 200 of these cards been sent to me.
When they finally arrive people are welcome to dm me their messages and I will write on the cards and post them myself.
It's all so wrong

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AmaryllisNightAndDay · 15/05/2023 14:53

And, yes @cheshirecatssmile I salute you too, well done for making yours speech. Hope it brings many good things!

Pudmyboy · 15/05/2023 13:41

@cheshirecatssmile you have ovaries of steel and I salute you!

AmaryllisNightAndDay · 15/05/2023 12:46

What can the rest of us (not NHS workers) do about Annex B? I read Delivering Same-Sex Accommodation and especially Annex B, after the patient rape case that Baroness Nicolson presented to the House of Lords where the police got told there couldn't have been a rape by another patient because - ta-dah! - all the patients were women.

And here is one among many jaw-droppers from Annex B: "Non-binary individuals, who do not identify as being male or female, should also be asked discreetly about their preferences, and allocated to the male or female ward according to their choice. "

You can tell it was written by someone different from the rest of the document, and that no-one had tried to check if it made sense or was balanced. Or was even correct. the document refers to the "Equalities Act" not the Equality Act . The contradiction between 1.3 and Annex B is barely discussed anywhere, though there is a bit of handwaving right at the end in the FAQs:

"18. How can I ensure that the wishes of all patients in an area or on a ward/bay are considered when accommodating the wishes of a small number of those patients?

A) Staff should remember that, under the Equalities Act and the Public Sector Equality Duty, it is a legal requirement to ensure that trans people are not discriminated against. This guidance clearly states that trans and non-binary people should be accommodated in line with their stated gender identity. In all cases staff should communicate to all patients and or their carers the situation that arises, ensuring sensitivity to all views and acting accordingly to protect the privacy and dignity of all patients. Where the situation, for example, relates to trans patients, staff should do everything they can to respond to the wishes of all patients, while still protecting the dignity and legal rights of the trans person. There may be some circumstances where it is lawful to provide a different service or exclude a trans person from a single sex ward of their preferred gender but only if this is a proportionate means of achieving a legitimate aim. Any decision to do this must therefore be made on a case-by-case basis, and based on:
• an objective and evidence-based assessment of the circumstances and relevant information
• respecting the rights and needs of the trans person and the detriment to them if they are denied access and balancing that against the needs of other service users and any detriment to them if the trans person is admitted.

(My italics, and I just wondererd where the rights of other service users had disappeared to.)

What can the rest of us do? We are all potental hospital patients, after all.

cheshirecatssmile · 15/05/2023 12:04

Did my speech yesterday at LWS
Had so many people come to me afterwards to say well done and that they hadn't a clue this was going on in the nhs.
Best bit. Work management can't do a thing as I was just quoting their own policies which are on line for all to see.
We need to push back now regarding annex b.

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