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Is the Trans shooter in Nashville Male or Female?

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Tradeup · 28/03/2023 04:53

The murderer who came in and killed 3 children and 3 adults is trans and called Audrey, I am confused as to their biological sex.

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coldmarchmorn · 28/03/2023 23:23

TottyKnickers · 28/03/2023 23:13

She is male. Not a radicalised female, but a male who thinks he's a girl

No. Female. Vagina, ovaries, the whole thing.

DotAndCarryOne2 · 28/03/2023 23:20

TottyKnickers · 28/03/2023 23:13

She is male. Not a radicalised female, but a male who thinks he's a girl

Other way around.

TottyKnickers · 28/03/2023 23:13

BordoisAgain · 28/03/2023 19:03

Whenever there's a mass shooting by an incel or other socially isolated males There have been discussions on how violent young men, are shaped and radicalised by pornography, online communities feeding them a warped view of women, etc.

In this particular case it is a female being radicalised by similar methods.

She is male. Not a radicalised female, but a male who thinks he's a girl

WarriorN · 28/03/2023 22:46

What is also horrifying is that the instances of shootings are rapidly increasing with each decade.

WarriorN · 28/03/2023 22:41

Ereshkigalangcleg · 28/03/2023 21:26

I think this is justification to as fully as possible look at any potential reasoning to mitigate the possibility of recurrence. If the shooter had been radicalised do we need to look at the source of radicalisation in much the same way we would look at incel sites or culture if this led to crime?

This.

Coming back to the thread after making similar points upthread.

Bbc have updated ongoing reporting with these stats:

Bbc quote:
Last year, America's National Institute of Justice released data on mass shootings across the United States over the last 50 years. Here's a quick look at some of its findings:
• People who committed a mass shooting had experienced personal trauma before opening fire. The data shows that, almost always, the shooter was in "a state of crisis at the time" and most leaked their plans beforehand.
• Half of the shootings studied happened after 2000, with over a third since 2010.
• The numbers show that most people used a handgun to commit a mass shooting (77.2%) whilst 25.1% used an assault-style rifle.
• Looking at the data, we can see that 77% of people who committed a mass shooting in America bought their at least some of their guns legally
• The database covers 172 people involved in a mass shooting. Almost 98% of them were male, with the youngest aged 11 and the oldest 70.
The Congressional Research Service defines a public mass shooting as “a multiple homicide incident in which four or more victims are murdered with firearms, not including the shooter(s)within one event, and [where] at least some of the murders occurred in a public location or locations in close geographical proximity".
You can read the full report here

Is the Trans shooter in Nashville Male or Female?
ArabellaScott · 28/03/2023 22:28

You know what looks like dangerous extremism to me?

'Trans Day of Vengeance'.

https://www.tiktok.com/@trans_radical/video/7214914735551024426

ArabellaScott · 28/03/2023 22:28

You know what looks like dangerous extremism to me?

'Trans Day of Vengeance'.

https://www.tiktok.com/@trans_radical/video/7214914735551024426

KatMcBundleFace · 28/03/2023 22:23

"Eradicate the deviants"

Honestly, they are exhausting. How do they live like this.

No Rose. We want the rights in the Equality Act upheld. All this fear and hyperbole.

Myalternate · 28/03/2023 22:17

missyounot · 28/03/2023 21:18

Gosh you are rude. And you are coming across as extraordinarily ignorant - and transphobic. It must be painful to be you!

Firstly, trans people are not all the same and I cannot believe I had to explain that to you. And secondly, you cannot possibly know what anyone else thinks, only what they tell you.

Quite what you contribute to the world beyond hate is difficult to imagine.

😂 Pot and kettle spring to mind…

ArabellaScott · 28/03/2023 22:15

It is 'dangerous extremism' to talk about the nashville shooter, is it?

FOJN · 28/03/2023 22:03

We're being monitored again! I didn't know I was keeping company with dangerous extremists, are you all doing something extra and leaving me out or did I just miss a tussle over some tunnocks?

Is the Trans shooter in Nashville Male or Female?
DotAndCarryOne2 · 28/03/2023 22:01

mids2019 · 28/03/2023 21:57

@DotAndCarryOne2

Apologies that wasn't meant personally, the you was a more general one.

The point in this particular case is that we have had a shooting at a conservative Christian school where it would be fair to say trans values were not high on the agenda in a state where trans issues are of contemporary importance legislatively. The perpetrator of this heinous act identifies as male and there is evidence to suggest that there may be trans related grievance in her manifesto. It may be disingenuous to say there is not a link.

I am saying that exploration of radicalisation should not be prohibited for the sake of general society. I think the Guardian article deflects by stating the vast majority of mass shootings are perpetrated by males which although true should not in itself stifle debate on this

You may find posters rude but it seems the stakes in this debate are high

Thanks for clarifying.

mids2019 · 28/03/2023 21:57

@DotAndCarryOne2

Apologies that wasn't meant personally, the you was a more general one.

The point in this particular case is that we have had a shooting at a conservative Christian school where it would be fair to say trans values were not high on the agenda in a state where trans issues are of contemporary importance legislatively. The perpetrator of this heinous act identifies as male and there is evidence to suggest that there may be trans related grievance in her manifesto. It may be disingenuous to say there is not a link.

I am saying that exploration of radicalisation should not be prohibited for the sake of general society. I think the Guardian article deflects by stating the vast majority of mass shootings are perpetrated by males which although true should not in itself stifle debate on this

You may find posters rude but it seems the stakes in this debate are high

AllOfThemWitches · 28/03/2023 21:30

Whatsthefrequencykenny · 28/03/2023 20:17

There was quite a bit of discussion about neurodivergence and violence in the US because a number of fairly recent shooters had autism (Sandy Hook, Parkland, Colorado theatre) and lots of dicussion of bullying ever since Columbine - and it has come up over and over with many of the school shootings by young men. There is a common theme that amny of these young adults who kill have struggled socially, struggled with mental health, struggled to transition to adulthood, struggled with relationships, and have dealt with a lot of bullying, rejection etc. Obviously healthy happy people don't shoot people but I am not sure how one would know in most cases that their family member or friend would snap.

I agree with all of this, I just think this thread is much gentler in tone than they generally are when it comes to male violence and I think the suggested 'contributing factors' are, so far, looking pretty similar to the reasons behind mass shootings perpetrated by males; neurodiversity, poor mental health, a sense of not belonging, etc.

Obviously it really doesn't need pointing out that most autistic, mentally unwell women are not killing children. That takes a certain type of personality, I think.

DotAndCarryOne2 · 28/03/2023 21:29

Emotionalsupportviper · 28/03/2023 21:26

Well said.

Except that that was categorically not what I was saying.

DotAndCarryOne2 · 28/03/2023 21:28

mids2019 · 28/03/2023 21:17

@DotAndCarryOne2

The debate about limiting any life changing surgery or effect on puberty for minors is an active one in the UK. The scary thing is that the behaviour of the shooter may be akin to radicalism of the sort we have had for terrorist atrocities.

By painting those that wish to limit gender related surgery for minors as the far right you are effectively giving those who are susceptible to radicalism a cause with potentially horrible consequences.

Agree or disagree with American law making it does so democratically.

I wasn’t painting anything as anything. Simply posting a link to the legislation amendment as it had been mentioned upthread and it was mentioned in a news report. Thought it was relevant that’s all - wasn’t posting in support of anything. Am I not making myself clear or something because this is the second time in the last few minutes I’ve been jumped on and chewed out for something I haven’t said.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 28/03/2023 21:26

I think this is justification to as fully as possible look at any potential reasoning to mitigate the possibility of recurrence. If the shooter had been radicalised do we need to look at the source of radicalisation in much the same way we would look at incel sites or culture if this led to crime?

This.

Emotionalsupportviper · 28/03/2023 21:26

ItIsFiat · 28/03/2023 20:48

Who are the brownshirts again?

The families participating in the church and school including her parents are allowed their own world view and beliefs as was the shooter.

The shooter was 28, she could have gone off and live her best life believing whatever she liked.

Many families don't agree on politics, religion and all sorts.

You can't go around punching 70 year old women and throwing fluids at 5 foot 1 inch women or shooting the 9 year old daughter of your pastor and head teacher because they don't share your beliefs.

Well said.

ItIsFiat · 28/03/2023 21:26

missyounot · 28/03/2023 21:18

Gosh you are rude. And you are coming across as extraordinarily ignorant - and transphobic. It must be painful to be you!

Firstly, trans people are not all the same and I cannot believe I had to explain that to you. And secondly, you cannot possibly know what anyone else thinks, only what they tell you.

Quite what you contribute to the world beyond hate is difficult to imagine.

Is that you Owen?

mids2019 · 28/03/2023 21:24

@missyounot

The problem lies with the fact that if the manifesto written by the perpetrator contains grievance linked to trans rights then there is an argument that these killings could be viewed as a 'hate' crime themselves of an utterly horrible magnitude.

I think this is justification to as fully as possible look at any potential reasoning to mitigate the possibility of recurrence. If the shooter had been radicalised do we need to look at the source of radicalisation in much the same way we would look at incel sites or culture if this led to crime?

Emotionalsupportviper · 28/03/2023 21:23

And disingenuous.

Emotionalsupportviper · 28/03/2023 21:22

missyounot · 28/03/2023 21:18

Gosh you are rude. And you are coming across as extraordinarily ignorant - and transphobic. It must be painful to be you!

Firstly, trans people are not all the same and I cannot believe I had to explain that to you. And secondly, you cannot possibly know what anyone else thinks, only what they tell you.

Quite what you contribute to the world beyond hate is difficult to imagine.

How very patronising.

Emotionalsupportviper · 28/03/2023 21:22

AchillesElbow · 28/03/2023 19:09

Cannot believe that the Guardian of all places have published a piece about how unusual this crime as is as the perpetrators are usually male. This person identifies as male. Why is the Guardian so willing to accept the claimed identities of rapists but not the identity of this person?

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missyounot · 28/03/2023 21:18

Florissante · 28/03/2023 13:05

Nonsense. Trans people want their trans identity shouted from the rooftops when they perceive themselves to be the victims of crime; the same needs to be done when they are perpetrators of crimes.

Gosh you are rude. And you are coming across as extraordinarily ignorant - and transphobic. It must be painful to be you!

Firstly, trans people are not all the same and I cannot believe I had to explain that to you. And secondly, you cannot possibly know what anyone else thinks, only what they tell you.

Quite what you contribute to the world beyond hate is difficult to imagine.

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