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Is the Trans shooter in Nashville Male or Female?

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Tradeup · 28/03/2023 04:53

The murderer who came in and killed 3 children and 3 adults is trans and called Audrey, I am confused as to their biological sex.

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monsteramunch · 30/03/2023 10:06

@TitterYeeNot

You think the children and adults murdered never actually existed and somehow nobody has confirmed they didn't exist, and instead a whole community is lying by sharing their made up memories of the made up victims? Catch yourself on 🙄

Florissante · 30/03/2023 09:52

TitterYeeNot · 29/03/2023 20:37

Anyone think it was a false flag?

No. Just you.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 30/03/2023 09:45

No 1 rule of doing communications and PR for organisations, don't become the story!

Ereshkigalangcleg · 30/03/2023 09:43

Apparently the press secretary in Arizona resigned.

www.azcentral.com/story/news/politics/arizona/2023/03/29/arizona-gov-hobbs-spokesperson-josselyn-berry-resigns-after-tweet/70060504007/

Ereshkigalangcleg · 30/03/2023 09:37

The same thing happened with Dana Carver.

Dana Rivers (formerly David Warfield) is the MTF trans murderer of the lesbian couple Charlotte Reed and Patricia Wright and their 19 year old son Benny.

https://afterellen.com/trans-activist-dana-rivers-found-guilty-of-murdering-lesbian-couple-and-their-son/

Dana Carvey is Garth in Wayne's World, are you thinking of his name?

ItIsFiat · 30/03/2023 07:55

Signalbox · 30/03/2023 07:49

The parents are going to get blamed for this aren’t they? And AH is going to be seen as a victim who was prevented from being who they truly were and left with no other option than to shoot up a school.

It will start with Christians deserving it, then TERFS and so on, it will spread internationally.

I see a teen boy in Canada featured on the Twitter feed of Jordan Peterson was attacked.

landOFconfusion · 30/03/2023 07:52

TitterYeeNot · 29/03/2023 20:37

Anyone think it was a false flag?

Nobody in the world thinks that this was a false flag.

Except for morons and Alex Jones supporters … though I am not sure why I need to separate these people into two different groups.

Signalbox · 30/03/2023 07:49

The parents are going to get blamed for this aren’t they? And AH is going to be seen as a victim who was prevented from being who they truly were and left with no other option than to shoot up a school.

PorcelinaV · 30/03/2023 02:44

Ciswomansson · 29/03/2023 17:18

You should always used what the person asks. As you ask. Regardless of crime, whether you like them or not.

That would make reporting of crimes in the media confusing. It could be misleading to the audience, unless there is a clear policy of saying something like, "trans identified biological male / female"

It could mess up crime statistics. Crimes need to go down by biological sex. You can also have the category of gender identity if you want, but that can't replace accurately recording someone's biological sex.

I'm open to using preferred pronouns in some cases, but it's a courtesy. In the case of a rapist in court they simply don't deserve politeness in that situation.

Usian · 29/03/2023 23:31

monsteramunch · 29/03/2023 18:17

Do you think it right that if a woman is testifying in court about being raped, and the man who raped her currently identifies as a woman, she should be required and reminded throughout to refer to her rapist using she / her pronouns?

Unfortunately that’s how it is. To acknowledge that the person who committed the rape is male is considered hate speech. TIMs’ feelings matter more than accurate reporting and record keeping and certainly more than women’s safety. Usually violent crimes committed by TIMs disappear into a memory hole within a week. Take Nikki Secondino’s murder of his father, for example. There’s been nothing about it since a few days after it happened, and only the Conservative papers would even say the he was a natal male. The same thing happened with Dana Carver.

TitterYeeNot · 29/03/2023 20:37

Anyone think it was a false flag?

Danana · 29/03/2023 19:16

nepeta · 29/03/2023 18:48

From the Violence Project website, on methodology:

Some sources define a mass shooting as any incident in which three or more victims were shot and killed, not including the perpetrator, while others use a threshold of four or more killed. Other sources define a mass shooting as any incident in which four or more people were shot or injured, which greatly increases the incident count. Some sources include domestic violence, gang conflict, drug trade disputes, or robberies in their numbers. At The Violence Project, we focus on mass public shootings, defined by the Congressional Research Service as follows:

“a multiple homicide incident in which four or more victims are murdered with firearms—not including the offender(s)—within one event, and at least some of the murders occurred in a public location or locations in close geographical proximity (e.g., a workplace, school, restaurant, or other public settings), and the murders are not attributable to any other underlying criminal activity or commonplace circumstance (armed robbery, criminal competition, insurance fraud, argument, or romantic triangle).”

That is pretty restrictive. No wonder they think there have been less than 200 in the past 57 years. I wouldn’t want to draw too many conclusions about shooter characteristics from data which excludes incidents like the Michigan State University shooting because only 3 students actually died and those critically injured recovered.

nepeta · 29/03/2023 18:48

From the Violence Project website, on methodology:

Some sources define a mass shooting as any incident in which three or more victims were shot and killed, not including the perpetrator, while others use a threshold of four or more killed. Other sources define a mass shooting as any incident in which four or more people were shot or injured, which greatly increases the incident count. Some sources include domestic violence, gang conflict, drug trade disputes, or robberies in their numbers. At The Violence Project, we focus on mass public shootings, defined by the Congressional Research Service as follows:

“a multiple homicide incident in which four or more victims are murdered with firearms—not including the offender(s)—within one event, and at least some of the murders occurred in a public location or locations in close geographical proximity (e.g., a workplace, school, restaurant, or other public settings), and the murders are not attributable to any other underlying criminal activity or commonplace circumstance (armed robbery, criminal competition, insurance fraud, argument, or romantic triangle).”

nepeta · 29/03/2023 18:43

Danana · 29/03/2023 18:26

If that’s the case then Forbes are also saying there have only been 172 mass shootings in the U.S., so it can’t have been referring to all of them since 1966. There have been over 130 so far this year. Something weird about that stat.

Might be a difference in how a mass shooting event is defined?

I haven't checked the data on this context, but I did look for this about something else and found that some statistics define a mass killing event as being one where at least four people die, others use different rules such as including people who were harmed but did not die in the victim counts.

School shootings are any cases where a gun is used on school premises, even if the bullet doesn't hurt anyone, so the data on these will cover a large number of cases, some not serious in terms of victims, others very much so.

BellaAmorosa · 29/03/2023 18:27

@Ciswomansson
If your name is Tree, I will use that to refer to you or address you. Your name is your choice. Your sex is not and nobody anointed you Lord of English Grammar.

Danana · 29/03/2023 18:26

Signalbox · 29/03/2023 09:12

Forbes say only 4 females since 1966.

Before Monday’s shooting, there had only been four women assailants in 172 mass shootings in the U.S., as documented by The Violence Project since 1966, which documents shootings involving at least four fatalities, not including the shooter.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/brianbushard/2023/03/27/nashville-school-shooter-allegedly-a-28-year-old-woman-an-extreme-rarity-in-mass-shootings/amp/

If that’s the case then Forbes are also saying there have only been 172 mass shootings in the U.S., so it can’t have been referring to all of them since 1966. There have been over 130 so far this year. Something weird about that stat.

monsteramunch · 29/03/2023 18:17

Ciswomansson · 29/03/2023 17:18

You should always used what the person asks. As you ask. Regardless of crime, whether you like them or not.

Do you think it right that if a woman is testifying in court about being raped, and the man who raped her currently identifies as a woman, she should be required and reminded throughout to refer to her rapist using she / her pronouns?

SquidwardBound · 29/03/2023 18:04

My father was a police officer.

There’s a tenuous claim to expertise. 🙄

Would you consult someone about a health condition on the basis that their father was a doctor? Thought not.

Signalbox · 29/03/2023 17:59

Ciswomansson · 29/03/2023 17:53

My father was a police officer. If you called yourself a tree you would still be done for the rape and still be addressed as the name tree.

Weird. Presumably the victim wouldn’t be expected to pretend in court that the man who raped her was a tree?

Ciswomansson · 29/03/2023 17:53

My father was a police officer. If you called yourself a tree you would still be done for the rape and still be addressed as the name tree.

Notaflippinclue · 29/03/2023 17:45

No no no no never take me down now

DrMarciaFieldstone · 29/03/2023 17:44

Ciswomansson · 29/03/2023 17:18

You should always used what the person asks. As you ask. Regardless of crime, whether you like them or not.

Nope. Try harder, troll.

Signalbox · 29/03/2023 17:43

Ciswomansson · 29/03/2023 17:18

You should always used what the person asks. As you ask. Regardless of crime, whether you like them or not.

Does that include not calling people “cis” when they ask you?

OneLongSmorgasbord · 29/03/2023 17:42

Ciswomansson · 29/03/2023 17:18

You should always used what the person asks. As you ask. Regardless of crime, whether you like them or not.

For a start, NO, absolutely not.

Second, would you be happy to call a male that raped you "she", if he declared he was a woman after the attack happened? Because I sure as hell wouldn't.