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Is the Trans shooter in Nashville Male or Female?

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Tradeup · 28/03/2023 04:53

The murderer who came in and killed 3 children and 3 adults is trans and called Audrey, I am confused as to their biological sex.

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Zonder · 28/03/2023 06:56

BellaAmorosa · 28/03/2023 06:23

This is deliberate bias, IMO. Creates an exaggerated impression of violence in women.

I read somewhere that this is the 139th mass shooting in the US this year. Absolutely awful. And we just accept the children get shot now.

Is this a typo? I heard 13th school shooting this year on radio 4

MayhemMostly · 28/03/2023 06:48

Poor victims, horrendous for families left behind.

America needs to sort the gun laws out asap.

bellinisurge · 28/03/2023 06:32

If it had been a bloke, you can bet they'd be calling him by female pronouns. Those poor children and teachers. Their poor families. And the survivors.

Give mentally ill people "affirming care" including testosterone rather than therapy, in a country where guns are easily accessible- tragedy waiting to happen.

Sux2buthen · 28/03/2023 06:31

SpinningTooFastIWantToGetOff · 28/03/2023 06:01

Very, very sad. Those poor families.

Looks like the killer took on male pattern murder to try affirm her identity.
When I saw the news last night, I assumed it was a man.

Or...she's just a female murderer

Daffodilwoman · 28/03/2023 06:31

Typos. That should read trans women are also referred to as women.
You can’t have it both ways.

Daffodilwoman · 28/03/2023 06:29

Yep either stick to calling someone the gender they identify with for all cases or don’t. Total bollocks to insist trans men are referred to as women but trans women are also referred to as men. Can’t even stop the misogyny here.
I don’t care what gender or sex the killer was. I’m not shocked. It’s the USA. It’s just another incident. Won’t be the last.

knittingaddict · 28/03/2023 06:28

Latest reporting makes it clear that this is a female to male transperson.

I'm surprised/not surprised by the early reports that she was a woman. I guess men and women are treated differently, even when they are trans.

Makes me wonder if they were on testosterone as a contributing factor. Also wonder if they had other issues going on, since we know that many transman transition while having autism or mental health problems.

NotAnotherBathBomb · 28/03/2023 06:25

Interesting. I had assumed trans woman aka male, but looking at photos I did think they 'passed' really well, well now that explains it.

I wonder if the difference in reporting (as PP mentioned referring to male-bodied rapists as women) is due to it happening in Tennessee, which is a conservative American state and therefore has very different views to trans-identified people.

BellaAmorosa · 28/03/2023 06:23

MrsTerryPratchett · 28/03/2023 06:11

It's confusing because the media seem to call male rapists 'she' when they identify as female but a female shooter 'she' when they identify as male.

It does look like bias but I'm sure it can't be.

This is deliberate bias, IMO. Creates an exaggerated impression of violence in women.

I read somewhere that this is the 139th mass shooting in the US this year. Absolutely awful. And we just accept the children get shot now.

SpinningTooFastIWantToGetOff · 28/03/2023 06:16

From the Guardian:

The shooter was named as Audrey Elizabeth Hale, 28, and from Nashville.
Drake said Hale was a former student at the school. He also said Hale identified as transgender.

That sounds like the murderer was male? Otherwise they are misgendering him? Also interesting use of 'identified as' transgender, but could just be reporting what was said.
Until journalist relearn the skill of reporting the facts, we can only speculate 🧐

MrsTerryPratchett · 28/03/2023 06:11

It's confusing because the media seem to call male rapists 'she' when they identify as female but a female shooter 'she' when they identify as male.

It does look like bias but I'm sure it can't be.

Sparklfairy · 28/03/2023 06:07

In the case of criminal activity of this sort, ‘woman’ in the headline is always more unusual, so more likely to get clicked….?

Yes I thought that. It's stirred up a lot of speculation with this ambiguous early-stage reporting. Not that I want more violent crime in the news, but I would be interested to see if reporting is, shall we say, consistent in future.

SpinningTooFastIWantToGetOff · 28/03/2023 06:01

Very, very sad. Those poor families.

Looks like the killer took on male pattern murder to try affirm her identity.
When I saw the news last night, I assumed it was a man.

HagoftheNorth · 28/03/2023 05:50

If that’s true it’s a new policy (which would be great and make reporting far clearer). I heard the BBC refer to ‘a woman who identified as trans’, so based on the Isla/Adam reporting (and that this happened in the US) I assumed MtF.

Of course this might be MtF = woman
and also FtM = woman

In the case of criminal activity of this sort, ‘woman’ in the headline is always more unusual, so more likely to get clicked….?

Tradeup · 28/03/2023 05:42

Same@miraveille .

Thanks everyone, it has been very confusing, as they are calling her she and saying her name is Audrey and then saying she was trans, so I was confused. Now I see that she was identifying as male but they are referring to her with female pronouns. So I guess there definitely are circumstances where your new identity will be ignored in preference of clarity.

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miraveille · 28/03/2023 05:23

My mistake above, I was confused by the reporting.

EmmaGrundyForPM · 28/03/2023 05:20

natal female who identified as a male

Bellagio40 · 28/03/2023 05:18

A woman who identifies as a man

miraveille · 28/03/2023 05:00

He's male

DrMarciaFieldstone · 28/03/2023 04:55

It’s a woman who identifies as a man.