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Is the Trans shooter in Nashville Male or Female?

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Tradeup · 28/03/2023 04:53

The murderer who came in and killed 3 children and 3 adults is trans and called Audrey, I am confused as to their biological sex.

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Beamur · 28/03/2023 07:37

SkiingIsHeaven · 28/03/2023 07:26

Looks like trans women are women but trans men are not men.

Funny that. In a completely not funny way or situation.
The press have no qualms whatsoever about misgendering or deadnaming this person.
Ironic (or not) that when a woman commits a very typically male crime that they identify as male.
America should be deeply ashamed that it's March and they've already had something like 130 mass killings. Life is cheap.
Children shouldn't be dying of gunshots in school.

Sarah2891 · 28/03/2023 07:35

SkiingIsHeaven · 28/03/2023 07:26

Looks like trans women are women but trans men are not men.

Yep. I really feel like the media wouldn't habe dared to say it was a male shooter if the shooter was a transwoman.

usernother · 28/03/2023 07:30

She was a woman.

knittingaddict · 28/03/2023 07:29

SkiingIsHeaven · 28/03/2023 07:26

Looks like trans women are women but trans men are not men.

Yep, double standards and misogyny even within the trans issue. Who would have thought.

HorribleNecktie · 28/03/2023 07:26

The shooter was biologically female and ID’s as trans with he/him pronouns. The Antiopdean Flightless Bird Plantation has some details. She apparently had a manifesto but not sure if that has been released. Tennessee has recently either proposed or enacted some “anti trans” laws which may possibly have motivated this. The school was a private Christian one which the shooter once attended. Three 9 year olds and 3 adults have been murdered.

SkiingIsHeaven · 28/03/2023 07:26

Looks like trans women are women but trans men are not men.

DustyLee123 · 28/03/2023 07:23

Audrey Hale, born female, living as a transgender man called Aidan.

manontroppo · 28/03/2023 07:22

I’m still none the wiser as to whether this shooter is man or a woman. I assume from the female name, press stating the shooter identified as trans, and the fact that this is such a male act, that the shooter is your common or garden biological male?

TigerMog · 28/03/2023 07:19

MrsTerryPratchett · 28/03/2023 06:11

It's confusing because the media seem to call male rapists 'she' when they identify as female but a female shooter 'she' when they identify as male.

It does look like bias but I'm sure it can't be.

Exactly this!! What's that about? Maybe an earlier PP is correct and it's about clicks because it's rare.

Sarah2891 · 28/03/2023 07:19

LuckyDonna · 28/03/2023 07:15

Last night it was "she" when it was thought they were a biological male. This morning it's still "she" now that they know this is a biological male. Exhausting.
Anyway, aside from the trans bullshit. What has to happen for Americans to make a change. That's not even a question. As usual they'll wail and wonder how this happens. BECAUSE YOU'VE FLOODED YOUR COUNTRY WITH GUNS AND THERE IS NO GOING BACK.

The shooter was female though? They still say that.

Mafelicent · 28/03/2023 07:18

To be fair, it's tricky for the media. If someone is wearing a pretty skirt, or pink leggings, then it's very obvious to everyone they are a "she". But how can anyone tell, if that person is wearing trousers? The essence of manhood is much harder to pin down than the essence of girlhood.

(plus, it's like how the victorians didn't believe in lesbians)

Sparklfairy · 28/03/2023 07:16

Zonder · 28/03/2023 07:12

I know that. It's terrible. But I misread the quote I quoted as being about school shootings. Only 13 of those I think!

According to Sky News:

So far this year, there have been 89 US school shootings - defined as when a gun is fired on school property.

In 2022, there were 303 such incidents, the highest of any year in the K-12 school shooting database, which goes back to 1970.

LuckyDonna · 28/03/2023 07:15

Last night it was "she" when it was thought they were a biological male. This morning it's still "she" now that they know this is a biological male. Exhausting.
Anyway, aside from the trans bullshit. What has to happen for Americans to make a change. That's not even a question. As usual they'll wail and wonder how this happens. BECAUSE YOU'VE FLOODED YOUR COUNTRY WITH GUNS AND THERE IS NO GOING BACK.

Whatsthefrequencykenny · 28/03/2023 07:15

There are texts released where Audrey texted a close friend before the shootings and told them something bad was about to happen and she was going to die and just wanted to say bye and thank them for being a great person. She signs her texts Audrey (Aiden) and the friend calls her Audrey in her responses.

Not all transpeople are out all the time - it seems she was still mostly using Audrey and she / her but also sometimes using Aiden and he / him.

WarriorN · 28/03/2023 07:13

Leading cause of death in children now. Sad

Zonder · 28/03/2023 07:12

MelsMoneyTree · 28/03/2023 07:04

School shootings aren't the only type of mass shootings.
The US has a massive gun problem but until they care about people as much as they care about business (NRA, arms sellers), it's going to keep happening. Same with their opiods crisis. The US legislate as though life is cheap and money is more important.
Condolences to all the families involved. I can't imagine their pain and loss.

I know that. It's terrible. But I misread the quote I quoted as being about school shootings. Only 13 of those I think!

megletthesecond · 28/03/2023 07:09

zonder it was the 139th mass shooting this year. I can't find the school stats though. The Gun Violence Archive keep a record.

Gun Violence Archive

https://www.gunviolencearchive.org

BordoisAgain · 28/03/2023 07:06

bellinisurge · 28/03/2023 06:32

If it had been a bloke, you can bet they'd be calling him by female pronouns. Those poor children and teachers. Their poor families. And the survivors.

Give mentally ill people "affirming care" including testosterone rather than therapy, in a country where guns are easily accessible- tragedy waiting to happen.

Mentally ill people bombarded with messages that they are the most hated group and are in danger of genocide, and gun/knife imagery alongside slogans like kill terfs is only going to head one way.

MelsMoneyTree · 28/03/2023 07:04

Zonder · 28/03/2023 06:56

Is this a typo? I heard 13th school shooting this year on radio 4

School shootings aren't the only type of mass shootings.
The US has a massive gun problem but until they care about people as much as they care about business (NRA, arms sellers), it's going to keep happening. Same with their opiods crisis. The US legislate as though life is cheap and money is more important.
Condolences to all the families involved. I can't imagine their pain and loss.

WarriorN · 28/03/2023 07:04

This is deliberate bias, IMO. Creates an exaggerated impression of violence in women.

My thoughts

The misogynists want more women to be the baddies to hide their own misdemeanours.

WarriorN · 28/03/2023 07:02

Another horrific murder. There was a woman who happened to be on holiday speaking to the news crews, who had survived another shooting the previous year.

She mentioned that guns were now the leading form of death for children and teens in the US.

They really need to do something.

I noted the use of female in the media / bbc. I hope this is policy going forward. Can't escape sex. Also hope that crime stats start to be more honest.

Interesting that it matters that it was a female shooter, statistically. Hmm

SilverGlitterBaubles · 28/03/2023 07:02

I'm not sure it matters, what matters is the tragic loss of life and how many more lives have to be lost to guns in America before they will actually do something about it.

BoredOfThisMansWorld · 28/03/2023 06:59

I can't even go there with American news reports any more. Until they decide they care about human lives more than the right to bear arms, what's the point? I cannot imagine what it's like sending a child to school in America. Or growing up accepting this as a risk.

If the shooter is a transman how the fuck do Guardian explain the deadnaming and misgendering? Owen Jones is gonna explode, right? There's no way they'd be quite so blatant in their misogynist double standards, is there?

Circumferences · 28/03/2023 06:58

It's galling that we are supposed to accept "she exposed her penis" for transwomen, and simultaneously "she killed" for transmen.

Anyway, pronouns aside, what a horrific tragedy. Those poor children. I never fail to be shocked by school shootings. I guess that's the point, but ... children ffs. It's so sick.

ItIsFiat · 28/03/2023 06:56

bellinisurge · 28/03/2023 06:32

If it had been a bloke, you can bet they'd be calling him by female pronouns. Those poor children and teachers. Their poor families. And the survivors.

Give mentally ill people "affirming care" including testosterone rather than therapy, in a country where guns are easily accessible- tragedy waiting to happen.

The family must be as confused, who are they angry with a she or he?

If it was a male the media would use female pronouns, it's female so that isn't happening.

Was she on testosterone?

Words are Violence and violence is ok according to the ideology, how will they spin 9 year old bigots?