Is the Trans shooter in Nashville Male or Female?

TBH I don't think the subject of discussions on a UK talkboard is going to help or hinder the poor families involved. I hope they have plenty of support and my heart aches for them.

This is a 'tragedy' that was avoidable. To avoid further crimes/atrocities/tragedies, society needs to ask questions. Avoiding discussion is not really an option.

Yes, it will be interesting to see the mounting data on the role of administered testosterone in violent crime.

Why are they calling her/she if she identifies as a man?

When a man commits a crime (Isla Bryson) and identifies as a she they bend over backwards to accommodate his new belief - eg her penis, her/she throughout the trial

Strange isn't it

Would be a start though. Their answer to all of these shootings is ‘more guns’, ‘arm school guards’. Yes, let’s have private security guards patrolling schools armed to the teeth, that’s a solution.

How about stop being so offended and spend some time thinking about the poor victims and families.

Society has a responsibility to all its members.

Otherwise we should just kill all 'its'.

Society has a responsibility to ensure we don't other because in dehumanising are we making such acts MORE likely because these people no longer feel they have a place or stake in society therefore why not harm it?

Wouldn’t disagree with any of that in time. But FFS let them come to terms with the deaths of their loved ones first !! There’s a time and place, and it’s not here or now.

I'm not offended.

I do think it's unacceptable as we shouldn't dehumanise anyone because that almost gives licence to say 'well they were a monster therefore what did we expect?'. That removes responsibility and also allows for stuff like encouraging the death penalty (and given police uselessness / corruption I think that's a clear danger).

These things don't happen in a bubble. In authoritarian regimes brutality is encouraged by state institutions but is normalised so it's deemed 'ok' by a section of society to carry out awful acts. The individual gets the blame but it's also society that normalises and you get patterns of violence (think historical pogroms agaist jews, the stazi, cultural revolution, Pol Pots regime and yes the Nazis to name but a few). We tend to see it more typically in modern western society in the form of extremism especially online extremism and this is taking a variety of forms - from incels, to right wing fascists, to Muslim terrorists and beyond).

Reducing someone to 'it' therefore isn't ok just because they are a murderer. They need to be humanised to be contextualised within the society they live in rather than othered and placed outside it.

Then the reason it hasn’t should be clear to you.

Yes. And no doubt the motivation will probably involve the fact that the perpetrator was a former student. It may or may not involve gender issues, who knows, but those issues are becoming the main focus, and they shouldn’t be. People are dead and families are shocked and grieving. Hijacking the tragedy and embroiling it in yet more discussion around this subject doesn’t help them does it ?

It is all it deserves. It wasn’t a humane human ‘it’ should be all it’s ever referred as.

I've just said I've reported the use of the word 'it'. That's no go regardless and seems to have been completely ignored. Normally that would get jumped on within seconds.

And in order to answer 'why', presumably we will need to look at motivation, yes?

I just listened to bbc news and I would have assumed male from what they said. Basically they said the female name and that they were transgender. Granted it would have been partly down to my biases in regards to this type of crime but shows the ridiculousness of this.

I disagree with that actually.

At some point in coming to terms with the violent death of someone, many people go down the route of wanting to prevent history repeating itself.

Guns is one angle to this but the reasons about what drove someone to kill are also going to be part of that conversation.

If it turns out that extremism of any kind is relevant then that's going to be relevant.

If it turns out that access to mental health support is relevant that too is something that's going to be in play.

If being trans affirmative has actively blocked exploring comorbid mental health issues then that's relevant.

If females taking testosterone is a factor then maybe you'd look into that and whether testosterone plus gun purchase is ok.

There's a lot of angles where, a few years down the line, families and friends trying to deal with what happened try to make sense of things in a positive/ productive way as there's no other way to give their child's life meaning.

Certainly I think about how Colin Parry in Warrington, then went on to found the peace centre and campaign for peace / stop extremism after the murder of his son Tim by the IRA thirty years ago. He is still doing so.

So yes I do think the who, why, what really matters to people who have lost loved ones.

For those who are wondering why the mods aren't deleting misgendering posts..

If someone has committed a crime then the mods allow that person to be referred to by natal sex.

If the police and media aren't sure of their sex then its unfair to have a go at the mods.

And then of course, there are people who don't believe this gender thing exists, therefore you cannot misgender someone.

@RedToothBrush That would be me! I fully stand by “it”. That monster murdered 6 innocent souls, 3, just little ones. Let that sink in! You are offended I called a child murderer an “It” Smdh.

Why ? This entire thread is detracting from the real issue. Yet another American school shooting, children and teachers dead, yet more grieving families trying to make sense of something that doesn’t make ANY sense, no matter what the sex/gender, race, religion of the perpetrator, who was a former student at the school. When the shitstorm about sex/gender dies down, that’s what the focus will be. There will only be one question to be answered. Why.

It matters in two ways:

firstly was the fact the perp was trans, relevant to the crime in anyway - this could be related to the use of testosterone or ideology - we don't know this at this stage but it certainly could be important information

and secondly, yes the reporting of crime matters both in terms of official reports and stats and in terms of media coverage. The former is relevant to how we understand why crime happens and how to stop it. If there is a group that poses a much greater risk and a group that poses minimal risk, psychologists and the police knowing helps to protect the public by increasing prevention. The latter has an impact on public perception and in turn on how the public understands both risk and social matters. For example if we understand that males transitioning is indeed a red flag, we'd want to know right? We'd also like to know if there is sexism running through how the press report transwomen and transmen because that in itself preserves sex and sexism even if gender is king. There will be impacts to sexism in genderism which means it's worth doubling down on the sex based rights in the Equality Act and highlights precisely why we shouldn't replace sex with gender.

The killer had been a pupil at the school.
I think that the authorities and people affected by this will want answers and explanations. I don't think accepting this happened and not asking questions around 'why' is likely.
The fact that they may be transgender will make for more salacious headlines certainly, but it is also relevant.
Reporting incidents like this is usually fairly perfunctory - not because of lack of sympathy but for reasons around not encouraging similar crimes to be committed.

But you don’t care about the obscenity of a school shooting. You care about what pronoun was used. I repeat, FFS.

The problem is that one thought is vastly dominating over the other.

There are two threads in 'active' discussing the trans status of the shooter. None about (just for example) gun control.

It's fucked up.

And this is why men are so pissed off. Women refusing to acknowledge it's all their fault.

The shooter was a women who identified as male. A transman. No angle is being spun, and the anti-trans comment is yours.

The shooter being transgender is critical.

The shooter is a female, and girls, particularly those with autism are more prone to decide to become transgender. A lot of the shooters have been diagnosed with conditions like autism. (I'm not saying autism leads automatically to mass violence, but it is a common feature).

If she was on testosterone, then that sudden influx of aggression etc could lead to such activity. Particularly as I've heard too many cases of people being prescribed dangerously high levels of hormones. Boys have a gradual introduction to testosterone, but with transgender care it seems people go onto adult levels on day one.

Mass shooting is a male thing. Perhaps in her warped imagination this was the most "gender affirming" thing she could do?