Is the Trans shooter in Nashville Male or Female?

Oops sorry I didn't realise there was more pages!

This is exactly what I was thinking.

If it's a FTM = woman
If it's a MTF = woman who identifies as transgender

Look how women are committing more and more violent crimes!

That’s a lot of words to say “Look what you made (one of ) us do”

How terrifying that that image on the right is what children are faced with

USA won’t get rid of that, it’s depressing as anything

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This is one of those situations where intersectionality can get kind of messy.

Indications are that this was a biological female. We're already seeing the TRA's presenting the killer as a victim and a martyr. In the scope of all of the transgender stuff, TRA and TERF, many who hold to TERF ideology absolutely include all biological females as women regardless of their gender identity, so in that regard, the TERF's are going to have to claim it as one of their own.

What is so bizarre and how conditioned all this gender crap has become, is that when I read the first early headlines about it being a female shooter, my very first thoughts were...OK...What do they mean by it was a female shooter? Was it an actual real biological female, or just a biological male claiming to be a woman?

I’m not unsure thanks if you read the thread. Just pointing out that the killer’s gender isn’t obvious from the photos of the incident.

Such awful news. Plenty of photos and family information in this article for those still unsure about the killer's natal sex (female) @Mirabai https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11909639/Anti-gun-Mom-Nashville-school-shooter-says-think-just-lost-daughter.html

The killer was a sick individual who killed innocents children at a school and teaching staff. Mad, sick, or knows but definitely not mentally stable.

The "manifesto" will certainly be an interesting read.
I wonder how long before they publish it.

Yes, I agree the TRA and trans type lobby groups do seem to promote violence, or at least extreme language towards anyone who doesn't follow their ideology. They are extremists and advocate violence. What could possibly go wrong with mentally ill individuals totally mixed up and not even sure what they identify as then extreme views and violent language and opinions..... will see more of this. It all feels like some warped social experiment 'let's all play at saying we don't identify as a man/woman and play with things rather than look at the cause, many trans are on the spectrum and so neurodiverse and don't feel like they feel they should anyway, pumping full of hormones and suggest they are in the wrong body or change the gender/mix up the emotions and bang

Which photos? In the photos of the incident she looks like a teenage boy.

It's widely available and obvious from the photos. It's a fact that the shooter was a woman. \

Where did you get the information that she was born female. I got the impression she is a trans woman (I.e born male). I actually came on to start a thread saying it was making me angry that they were implying this was a female committed crime (and skewing the statistics as a result) when actually it was committed by someone born male which would be much more typical of shooting crime statistics.

There are two points here.

The perpetrator was female and the pronoun she should be used

The perpetrator identified as transgender so again this is factual

I think the pronoun she should be used as well as female bit of course an identification with the opposite sex is important to reporting

The fact that so very very few (relatively) women commit such crimes does give extra salience to the transgender aspect of her persona.

It is the obvious case that those males who commit crimes and identify as females are referred to as males when reporting.

This.
Evidence can be used to DISPROVE a perceived problem. However if the evidence is corrupted due to poor record keeping that can work to the negative too.

We KNOW violence is predominately male related. The number of men to women in prison testifies to this.

What we then need to know is whether transition changes the pattern of violence. That could be male to female or female to male. There are legitimate concerns about if there is over representation and then why there is over representation.

But saying we can't talk about this because 'prejudice' doesn't help anyone. The pattern will still exist if there is one. And if there is one you need acknowledge it to address it. Its political burying head in the sand because it doesn't fit your beliefs. And that also leaves you vulnerable to political opposition if you do bury your head in the sand, because you can bet if there is a pattern that can be identified, it will be jumped on by political opponents.

I'm not into that. I'm into evidence based actions not political grandstanding of any kind. Deal with what problems we can actually identify and dispell myths where they exist.

Of course we should. Every perpertrator should be correctly identified by their sex. But they are not. So we have to ask, why not? Why is a woman always a woman, but a man can be a woman too?

In the most heinous of circumstances we should avoid obsufication in reporting allowing it to be factual and simple.

In ALL circumstances we should avoid obfuscation of reporting. Particularly when such reporting is likely to put blame onto a group which is innocent.

Every man's crime recorded as a woman's is blaming a group of people who did NOT commit that crime, and exonerating a group that DID.

Whenever we avoid facts, we avoid clarity and honesty, and increase confusion and dishonesty. And this in turn makes vulnerable people even more vulnerable, because they have no solid foundations to build their mental schemata on, leading to increased mental health problems.

@BellePeppa. Finally someone with common sense. Thank you.

Sadly, you are right.

If there are mental health problems associated with some trans individuals then certainly this should be addressed.

The important point is that the press refer to a biological female acknowledging the immutability of sex ultimately. The police identified the perpetrator by their sex and we shouldn't criticise the police who have been involved in the prevention of a worse crime with risk to their own lives for misgendering. In the most heinous of circumstances we should avoid obsufication in reporting allowing it to be factual and simple.

You can talk about what you like.

and people can comment on what you choose as your priorities, as they like.

i don’t really see the irony.

Of course.

The much pushed Stonewall survey itself highlighted an abnormally high level of self reported disability and poor mental health. So much so, it screams there is an unaddressed issue. Yet this is something that's deemed politically incorrect to directly address because of fears of 'conversion therapy'. I do think there's a real danger that leaves trans people especially vulnerable and political narratives in this way to disengage and demonise are potentially driving even more harms which we aren't currently documenting / addressing. This really isn't in the interests of those who are trans. That's a problem at society level.

I think over time we will start to see this play out more often in various guides unfortunately.