Is the Trans shooter in Nashville Male or Female?

We have every right to discuss here in the uk, on the feminism topic of MN:-

the woeful reporting on this case.

the importance of accurate recording of criminal acts by sex

The possible impact of transitioning on people's criminal behaviour, and whether the mental ill health that leads to transitioning is also linked to criminality.

the impact of the assertion that denying trans people anything leads them to justified acts of aggression, like those seen in NZ and far worse in this school shooting.

All these things can be righteously discussed on MN feminism boards.

There has been no speculation on the perpetrator's background or family, just the immediate facts of the car and its reporting- the behaviour patterns of men, women, and trans identifying people.

Well instead of having a go at me, why don’t you go and look. If they haven’t been deleted they will still be there. Not trying to shut down anything, but someone questioned how discussing this on MN would impact those people affected by the tragedy, and whether you like it, or believe it, or not, it evidently is. I have no opinion either way, just drawing attention to it. Jesus, this is an aggressive thread.

Exactly what I thought.

And brutal as it sounds, if anyone is distressed by reading these threads - then don't read them.

If anyone thinks that this topic isn't being discussed very widely, then they are extremely naive.

We haven’t had a school shooting in this country since Dunblane, and that’s because as grief turned to anger and outrage, the parents organised themselves and got parliament to change gun laws in the UK. We shouldn’t be deflecting away from the trans topic because it’s relevant here, and we need to understand what drove this young woman to do what she did. But by far the most important issue is firearms control in the US and it’s in danger of getting lost in the debate.

Another threat is emerging in the form of extremist trans activists, who, if what’s being posted online is anything to go by, support these acts and are actively encouraging more. After every school shooting Americans have had opportunity to do something about gun laws in their country. There has been protest and talk for a while after each incident and then it all dies down until the next attack. Nothing has changed. With the emergence of this new threat, there needs to be a serious effort to get some kind of gun control legislation put in place, otherwise these tragedies are going to increase exponentially. I’m not hopeful - not least because the NRA seem to use each one of these outrages to advocate for more guns. Armed guards patrolling schools is not the answer. Stopping guns getting into the hands of those who have no business owning them is.

Nope. Not going to stop discussing the transman who shot and killed three children and three adults.

Nope. Transwomen commit sex crimes at a higher rate than other men.

Wtf, the shooters family and "Nashville" have asked for MN to stop discussing the trans issue? What??

No, not the first thought, not by a long shot but there are various aspects of the reporting that are relevant to them being trans.

1. they were referred to by their birth name and sex. This isn’t the case with men who have transitioned. They are referred to by their chosen name a pronouns. We are continuously being told that we must respect the names and pronouns of transwomen who commit crimes then why is it different for transmen? It is a sign of misogyny.

2. the fact that a woman has done this is important, it’s not often that a woman commits crimes like this.
   2.1) this makes us ask why? Did they take testosterone, could that have been why? Did they not get counselling they needed because people were too focused on the trans issue? Had the trans rights movement dripped poison in their ears to make them more unstable.

I’m not sure if this person actually transitioned (other than call themselves transgender) or officially had a name other than Audrey which is why the media maybe continues to use ‘she’.
Also the information coming from the family is referring to her as female so that might also be why.

Additionally people seem to want to make it clear that it wasn’t a trans woman, which was the first conclusion people came to.

Sadly another terrible tragedy in the US. How they can continue with this and not take action I’ll never understand. 45,222 gun deaths in America in 2020.

I said 'wow' to the post that has since been deleted by MN. It was a long post and lots of information.

'Wow' means wow, struggling with that simple word? 😂

There is no way on earth the family members of children killed yesterday are contacting anyone to talk about MN discussion of the trans issues, that are being talked about all over the world.

It's an offensive and cynical attempt to tell us to shut up some more though.

Link is on thread in feminism chat. One of the NY publications is saying it apparently

There are a number of threads on this and there have been several posts from the USA and one specifically from Nashville where the shooting took place, asking for the MN discussion around the trans issues to stop as it was distressing for all concerned - including the family of the perpetrator. Have had a quick look through but can’t find that specific post - it’s there somewhere though if you have the time.

Definitely female born.

And transwomen still retain more testosterone than women - hence one of the major issues in sport.

When you talk on the internet, you aren't just talking to the person you reply directly to. You are talking to an audience of onlookers too.

The 'look what you made us do' narrative is already being pushed.

Think about it.

https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwiYr6jP-_79AhVz8bsIHT9OCowQFnoECBcQAw&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwapp.capitol.tn.gov%2Fapps%2FBillInfo%2FDefault.aspx%3FBillNumber%3DHB0001&usg=AOvVaw1uF3Ex3-iSACveYp_06cll

Link to something called House Bill No 1 in Tennessee General Assembly legislation. It’s an amendment which prohibits the performance on minors of certain medical procedures related to gender identity, and creates and establishes additional courses of action and penalties for violations. Police, FBI and ATF are now reported to be investigating possible links to recent protests against the Bill.

got it from Andrew Taye I'm guessing

Try saying something useful.

I was reading about this earlier, it refers to FtM trans people taking testosterone.

Which makes sense.

This data is really important to look at in these cases.

In terms of the reporting, I said in my response to the IPSO consultation on reporting of sex and gender that reporters should specify if pronouns are sex or gender based. Every time. Otherwise they WILL be misleading people. It could just be a brief line at the top. And it would mean that people would at least know the framework within which the article is operating. And I bet journalists using sex based pronouns would get more views.

These school shooting massacres are so awful. Imagine the horror of a child going to school to face that terror; imagine your child going to school and never coming home.

On a Swedish study of transsexuals, it was found that MtF (transwomen) retained male offending patterns.

but

FtM (transmen) did not retain female offending patterns. They became more like men.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3043071/

This is an awful lot of detailed information to know in a very short time.

Do you have links?

They're dead now so they won’t care they’re called it.

Wow.