Starmer rowing back on self ID - what do we think?

It is not like forces like the Met police will do anything nor many courts, so punch away in the streets lads.

This thread by Dennis Kavanagh of the Gay Men’s Network (posted by another Mumsnet earlier today on the general thread) is a plausible explanation!

https://mobile.twitter.com/Jebadoo2/status/1640035412453257221

Typo...quite the revelation

Men have always beaten women up. Right wing men often obvious or in the bedroom.
Left wing men up to now have done a bang up job masking their misogyny in the cloak of social justice. But maybe for the first time, lefty men are showing their true colours, and not in private, in the open, the street, Speakers Corner, in universities, outside GC feminist and lesbian meets, on lesbian dating sites.
It's been quite the revely.

Absolutely this.

I'm sick to death of the argument that women should settle for shit because the Tories are somehow worse.

In all honesty I'm not convinced how much better a Labour Govt would have been in managing Brexit, Covid and the impact of the war against Ukraine.

As an opposition they've hardly been effective in front of what should have been an open goal in respect of the Tories under Johnson.

I'm also done with the concept that self id is a "single issue" voting approach when the implications are so significant.

The idea that women would be better off under a govt that refuses to acknowledge what a woman is, is simply laughable.

As we have seen in NZ the sentiment that underpins the TRA ideology is fundamentally misogynistic to it core.

Ergo a party that endorses that ideology cannot be said in any sense, for any policy or strategy to centre the betterment of a sex class they deny exists.

Shon Faye told us to enjoy our erasure, but I suspect even they would be surprised about just how many women seem to be actively intent on voting for it, or are busy berating others to do so.

It's not up to me to self sacrifice my worth to vote Labour.

It's up to Labour to demonstrate to women that they are worth voting for - something they are failing to do.

Cornwall Live said they witnessed a local woman being assaulted by a member of the anti-fascist group, with the culprit disappearing into the crowd.

What's with all the left wing men beating up women this week?

I suspect she has trans identified young relatives.

Exactly.

Starmer must acknowledge this recent LWD missive, and the organisation itself, especially if like the flare up over anti semitism, it leads to a proper highlighting and sorting of the issues involved.
Anything less than a free and frank discussion, is not good enough.
Has Starmer got it in him? When he has at least two of his inner circle with trans IDs kids, and at least six who are fully TWAW, many more at the next level, and the activist base fully signed up. Can he stand up to the personal and professional pressure of resisting their takes.
He knows this will be the difference btwn a small majority or hung parliament, and a comfortable or even huge majority.

I agree. It's how I felt (still do) about Canada

I look at NZ and no way am I walking into that. Labour is that

I have respect for Starner and Labour womens declaration if they turn this around.

I won't vote Labour as they are continuously trans activists and gaslighers - lite - that's what you are if you want to retain or update the GRA, it has to go. I signed the government petition to repeal the GRA, I won't vote for anyone who wants to keep that stupid law or a new version of it and gaslight the public, its psychological abuse.

6. completely failing to challenge "the science" behind the lockdowns. We were only saved from the final one due to Tory rebels. It was clear at the time of the Christmas one that the "Kent variant" had been clocked by officials in September yet no one in opposition demanded an explanation as to why they let it go until December. Unforgivable.

I think the Opposition have to be taken to task too, and hard questions should be asked of them. If they are awful and ineffective in Opposition then they are never going to be any good as leaders...which is EXACTLY the reason the tories have been in power so long. You are focusing on the wrong party

Exactly. Labour have been appalling in opposition since 2012:

1. Ed Miliband decides to trash the Blair/Brown legacy. I was totally opposed to the Iraq War, but that didn't mean that nothing else was achieved. The most successful Labour government ever and, instead of defending their domestic legacy, Labour decide to join the Tories in trashing it. Then wonder why voters aren't keen to give them another go.
2. Corbyn. Nuff said
3. Anti-semitism
4. Misogyny/abuse of GC women
5. The worst of all possible worlds on Brexit - no position, flailing around, pleasing no one.

I don't have the bandwidth or inclination to hoke around what the losers/also-rans say. I'll be interested in their manifestos, but until then I will continue my railing against the party in power. The Tories. You know the ones that wrecked the country and fucked women's rights over.

I think the Opposition have to be taken to task too, and hard questions should be asked of them. If they are awful and ineffective in Opposition then they are never going to be any good as leaders...which is EXACTLY the reason the tories have been in power so long. You are focusing on the wrong party. You need to quadruple your bandwidth and look at them all.

Labour need to step up. And its looking like they won't. That is not the tories or the voters fault, that lies squarely on Labours shoulders.

I am always Pro-women. I have zero party political loyalties as it is incompatible with my feminism. Attacks on women come from all directions so it is complacency for a feminist to believe any party provides a political home. Its also dangerous as it can blind/distract people and make them easy to manipulate.

I am always pro-women. It's one of the reasons I'm anti-Tory.

Are you actually pro-women at this point? Or just anti-Tory?

Ok. You do you!

Those of us that actually have to pick out political representation from the English, Welsh and Scots parties will try and look a little further ahead.

Destructive tunnel vision doesn’t usually end well.

No Neil Kinnock did the prep work for him in expelling Militant Tendency. Because I was around then and voted for Blair, I was unable to remain a party member when Momentum/Corbyn came on the scene in 2017...same old same old...nothing learnt from history.

I don't have the bandwidth or inclination to hoke around what the losers/also-rans say. I'll be interested in their manifestos, but until then I will continue my railing against the party in power. The Tories. You know the ones that wrecked the country and fucked women's rights over.

I'm glad a handful of women in the Labour party still have the energy to hold the line.

Clarifying that that sex means sex in the EA2010 would be a big step forward for women. Alas the noises coming out of Labour suggest they won't support that petition.

I agree with the Twitter thread posted recently that it is utterly ridiculous that women have to justify their existence like this. And against the supposed party of equality and social justice.

Mordaunt is Leader of the House not in Education?

Sunak really should have given the role to someone with their own biological children who had no truck with gender identity ideology. I am sure there were lots of other options. The fact that she started to endorse the Scottish nonsense as 16 being old enough tells you all you need to know.

The grateful begging tone LWD are having to employ makes me very glad I resigned from Labour several years ago.

Whereas the Tories are probably 30% TWAW at most and at least 50% GC.