Starmer rowing back on self ID - what do we think?

Lammy, an old man is apparently is hoarding money, then getting angry at women, telling them men can grow a cervix, that they are going to die out for wanting basic rights.

Since this parliament started in December 2019, Lammy declared income so far is £202,599 earned from 40 dufferent sources, the most of any MP.

Boris Johnson avoided ever defining a woman, and his wife was definitely pro-TRA - mind you, he lies about everything, so...

I don’t know if he has defined what a woman is but last year he broke some taboos.

March 24 2022
We must recognize that when people want to make a transition in their lives, that they should be treated with the maximum possible generosity and respect,” he said.“But I do want to say in addition that I think when it comes to distinguishing between a man and a woman, that the basic facts of biology remain overwhelmingly important.”

27 June 2022
Boris Johnson says there is a difference between being a woman and a trans woman and that someone 'cannot be born with a penis without being a man' - as he reaffirms his backing for FINA's ruling on trans athletes in swimming

All Keir Starmer is doing is exactly what the Conservatives have done. No-one batted an eyelid when they started rowing back - and they're the ones who've been in power throughout. They could have stopped it in its tracks in this country and they didn't.

You're making a false equivalence here. He hasn't rowed back.

All he said was if you are going to make reforms you need to carry the public with you.

He's not repudiating self id one iota he just thinks we need to be educated brainwashed into agreeing to it - and exactly how is public support going to be measured?

Oh I know, what about a general election where we don't vote for the party that's absolutely captured from the grassroots to the leadership...

Starmer is going to have to do far, far more than this to have been said to even revisit his current stance, never mind being said to row back from it.

Crispin Blunt as well.

Tanith, you're spot on. Gender ideology is as much a faultline on the right as the left.
Case in point, Tom Hardwood, full fat Brexiter, out of ECHR etc. He's a ramped up TWAW acolyte, for him as a libertarian, it's all personal consumer choice.
Mary Harrington knows all about the transhumanism as personal liberty end of politics.
May, Mordant, Keegan, very visible in their support.

Easy. Look around western democracies. Anyone with a non inwardly looking view can see it.

Starmer is worried finally due to what happened to Sturgeon - not before as he found it easy to ignore when no threat to political career - but he still can’t beat it back hence the constant waffle and fudge.

He wants reform but needs to ‘take public with him’.

Hopeless.

"Gender ideology is more aligned with the left."

Where on earth do you get that idea from?

Christine Burns, one of the pioneers who set up Press For Change, was a Conservative party member.
Caitlyn Jenner is a Republican.
Theresa May made a speech at the Pink News Awards when she was Prime Minister, promising Self-ID and is still pro-trans, calling for a " trans-inclusive conversion therapy ban" last year.
Sue Pascoe is a TRA and is an area Chair of the Conservative Women's Organisation.
Rishi Sunak was unable to define what a woman is when first asked, finally coming up with an answer only a month ago.
Maria Miller started the whole Gender Recognition fiasco with Self id when she was Conservative Women and Equalities Minister, carried on by Caroline Noakes.
Ben Fitter-Harding is the Conservative Councillor in Canterbury accusing Rosie Duffield of transphobia.
Boris Johnson avoided ever defining a woman, and his wife was definitely pro-TRA - mind you, he lies about everything, so...

All Keir Starmer is doing is exactly what the Conservatives have done. No-one batted an eyelid when they started rowing back - and they're the ones who've been in power throughout. They could have stopped it in its tracks in this country and they didn't.

Head above the parapet time. This argument has been raging across a number of threads for several days. I am going to vote Tory. There, said it.

Yes, well it would be nice if there was a political party whose MPs all understood what a woman is AND showed some signs of being capable of actually running the country, but unfortunately that's not the situation we are in.

Modaunt is just one TWAW Tory. Gillisn TWAW Keegan, our Tory Secretary of state for education is can't define "girl".

Apologies for any confusion.

I think what happened in London this weekend is more to do with the Met, and their failure to take action. There are laws in place, the police could have done something, they decided not to they decided not to.

Gender ideology is more aligned with the left.

No chance am I voting it in.

We already have men attacking women who speak. It happened this weekend, it's been happening for years. The Tories know about it, but have done nothing.

what do you mean ‘we are already in it?

In which ways are Britain and NZ’s current governments aligned politically?

Be

Lammy calling women dinosaurs comes from same place as turd guy in Aus

The violence in NZ and shocking imagery of Barbie K

And decapitate them in Scotland and pink leggings pic all comes from the same place

It starts with the inability to state biological reality as Starmer can’t and ends with violence

All the same men and their excuses

No I don’t want NZ. That’s leftist gender ideology.

All the people excusing it aren’t for me.

It’s leftism, violence and gender ideology altogether.

Agree with Rex and Dcbc

We're already in it Marsha. Vote Tory, get more of it.

More devolution with no second chamber would be the fucking disaster we've been witness to recently.

Maybe he's good with the current direction, yknow, women devolving their identity and spaces to men.
No lol.

Gordon Brown is barking as he thinks 'more devolution' is the answer lol. Has anyone asked if he knows what a woman is?

Hope he is right about it being the endgame. It only seems like the UK which is fighting back though? And maybe the Republicans in the USA with the democrats in charge.

Most Gay men should be against 'gender identity ideology' as they are same-sex attracted not same gender attracted.

So Tradeup, how do you vote in 2024? I'm sure you've read Gordon Brown's excoriating report of the shit that 13 years of Tory govt has left us, especially the poorest of all.

When you are over the target you get the most flak. The most radical political figures now are KJK and women like her.

To think of all the hours and hours of free work my parents and relatives gave the Labour Party in the past to stand up for the rights of all (even as a child I would leaflet our neighborhood for Labour because my dad was a Labour councilor) and how quickly they totally abandoned and shat all over women. They disgust me. Utter cowards who bow to raging misogynists and don’t even ask women our opinion on anything. Labour would have to radically change their stance for me to ever, ever vote for them again. The way they have treated Rosie Duffield is how they have treated us all, with utter contempt.

Glinner caught on camera at just the right time.

Gender falls in three stages.

The flight of the cowards
The howl of the zealots
The prosecution of the monsters

We near stage 3. They know it. We know it. That is where this rage comes from. That's why they're so angry. This is an implosion in a gender borg cube.

I disagree we are in stage one.

Well, video was posted today of the Met walking away en masse from the LWS event at Speakers Corner, effectively leaving a group of women incl Aja The Empress kettled by angry feral TRAs, mostly men.
So your sentiment is more accurate than you could imagine.