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Starmer rowing back on self ID - what do we think?

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JohnnyMcGrathSaysFuckOff · 23/03/2023 13:18

The Times is reporting in its live politics feed that KS has explicitly said Labour will not push for self ID without public backing. I know not everyone can access their content so here is a copied n pasted version: what do you think?

Sir Keir Starmer has shifted Labour’s position on transgender rights as he said the bitter rows over Scotland’s Gender Recognition Bill showed the party must consider public opinion on the issue.The leader of the Labour Party has previously insisted it was committed to updating the Gender Recognition Act to introduce self-identification for transgender people.However, in a significant shift in Labour’s policy, he said the backlash over the SNP’s gender reform bill had made him think again. The SNP passed legislation this year that would make it significantly easier for people to acquire a gender recognition certificate and reduced the minimum age for doing so to 16. The bill was blocked by the UK government.Starmer said: “I think that if we reflect on what’s happened in Scotland, the lesson I take from that is that if you’re going to make reforms, you have to carry the public with you.

“And I think that’s a very important message and I think that’s why it’s clear that in Scotland, there should be a reset of the situation.”

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Tinysoxxx · 23/03/2023 13:25

Funny I always thought politicians were supposed to represent the people? It comes across as ‘we know better than you but we need to get elected so we will let you get away with this one’.

CatNamedEaster · 23/03/2023 13:23

But what does that mean "carry the public with you." Based on the opinions he will be hearing witjin the party, vs the amount of people not able to risk giving an opposing view, he will probably feel justified in saying that most people support self-ID.
Unless he specifically said it's off the table, TWAM and will be treated as such in law, then I still don't have anyone to vote for.

Jonei · 23/03/2023 13:20

It would take a lot more than that to trust him. He's not fit for purpose.

DrMarciaFieldstone · 23/03/2023 13:20

I’m glad to hear it, but don’t trust him to stick to it.

He’s only saying it after seeing what happened to Nicola, it’s not what really he wants.

JohnnyMcGrathSaysFuckOff · 23/03/2023 13:19

Personally, at first I found previous pronouncements from Labour front bench inadequate and thought 'well if he can't define woman then nothing he says can be trusted'.

But now I am wondering if this is part of a phased turn-around.

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