Starmer rowing back on self ID - what do we think?

Also, I'm always mildly interested in why people think scolding other people is a convincing way to change their mind? Do they not understand human nature? I tend to want to do the opposite when someone is talking down to me telling me what to do with smug superiority especially when they're a bit crap on actual facts and reality, as is definitely the case in the TWAW debate.

TWAW doesn't even make sense, if they literally were women then there would be no need to have a 'trans' added and no-one would notice.

I think it's really true that a lot of people lie about how they're going to vote so as not to be scolded by the totalitarian left.

How many times does a Brexit situation (where the chattering classes were so convinced it was going their way and were totally surprised when it didn't) have to happen before they realise?

We have a year before the next GE. Contact them.

Please do not spoil your ballot. Most of the time you have more than 3 options on the ballot paper. Give your vote to a smaller party or Independent. They won't win, but can get their deposit back if they have enough votes increasing the liklihood of more choice going forward.

A list of SDP candidates. There are very few unfortunately.

General Election Candidates - SDP

sdp.org.uk/general-election-candidates/

Stella Creasy is one of the very worst. And she claims she’s a supporter of women.

I used to vote Lib Dem. They are worse than Labour on this. I would vote Green if they would keep out of identity politics. I would vote SDP happily - I don’t agree with all of their policies but none of them are bad enough to warrant me not using my ‘single issue vote’ for them.

This Stella Creasy?

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4557912-stella-creasy-says-women-can-have-penises

‘Do I think some women were born with penises? Yes, but they are now women and I respect that.’

She supports Self ID.

Many of us actually spoil our ballots - and will continue to do so until there is someone standing in our constituency who represents our values and concerns. The Communist party does not stand candidates in most constituencies, nor do the SDP - so how could you vote for them, even if you were so inclined?

Stella Creasy’s

Does anyone know Stella Crease’s position on this please?

Labour are going to be the next party in power. So if you really cared about this issue then tell your Labour MP or candidate you would vote Labour if they support your views.

I do not think Starmer cares one way or another, neither does Sunak. They will just go with what will win them votes.

I've heard many women on here say they'd vote for the Communist party or SDP but don't have candidates in their area.

How many constituencies will have Communist or SDP candidates that women could vote for?? I've never heard of a single candidate around here.

Laladybird, according to a post on a different FWR thread, a Conservative Women's Group survey showed that recently, just 50% of Tory MPs had come round to biological reality. Previously the majority of them believed TWAW. And while some applaud Sunak for saying a woman is an adult human female, that was not always his stance. Previously a woman was whatever Boris Johnson said. Boris Johnson, who wouldn't say that only women have a cervix.

The Tories have been a disaster for women. In their fiscal policies, health policies, education policies, housing policies and insistence that TWAW.

I don't vote Labour, I never have and I've never been nagged for it.

@RealityFan the MP saying he believes TWAW is generally a moderate centrist, or so I thought.

I'll make up my mind nearer the time, but it might be a protest vote on this single issue. If all the candidates in my area deny the biological reality of women then I will be disenfranchised.

As others have said there are Tories on both sides so a vote for them isn't an automatic vote for women.

It's been said before on these sorts of threads, but I'm fascinated how:

"I'm politically homeless, might have to spoil my ballot"

is magically translated into

"Please scold me for voting Tory"

Oh it's just the general gist I'm taking away from the endless nagging about 'if you don't vote Labour'.

Which is endless.

No. The big difference with self-ID is that it would make it impossible to identify who was a woman, whereas currently this is possible.

So, if we had self-ID, the EA would still be in place, and would still say that some facilities could be reserved for women. The problem is that there would no longer be a way in law of identifying who is actually a woman.

..If they're not Labour then you're sub human scum and shame on you.

Huh? Who said that to you because it certainly wasn't me.

And because of the current shoved marketing that anyone not voting Labour (regardless of how batshit and crap they are) is Evil, many people will lie when asked about their voting intentions. "Oh yes gov, I'll vote Labour please don't rant at me "

Then in the privacy of the ballotbox they will do what they actually want to do, and Labour will be all surprised that the forecasts don't match the outcomes. Again.

Pretty much me too. Long term Tory voter since 1983 (I am old), ready to put the boot into the decaying Tory corpse, Liz Truss my local MP (yes, really!), ready to embrace some sensible and inspiring left wing alternative (yknow, Blair in his early pre-Iraq War pomp)...and what am I presented with?
Keir Starmer who says one thing to Pink News and then another to Mumsnet, and one of his team on JHB just days ago referring to the Scottish rapist as she/her.
You need a bank of supercomputers and the world's greatest experts to work out how I should vote.

Tis interesting, isn't it?

I'm hearing more and more:

homophobia is awful, obviously, but homosexual women should really provide sex to male people if they've claimed an internal identity, and rubbish like 'I don't want to' and 'hang on, are you saying my body is some kind of social duty to provide for sex I won't enjoy and don't want' is just them being sexual racists.

And obvs, obvs feminist - but women need to know their place and take care of men and men's interests first

and yes absolutely FOR safeguarding, but there are times when it's too upsetting to a person to safeguard a child for them and exceptions should be made, and yes there might be disasters that destroy that child's life, but it's better than making a troubled male sadder

and now: obvs democracy but you absolutely should be accountable and harried and pressured for your voting choices because if they're Not Labour then you're subhuman scum and Shame On You.

Just what the actual fuck is it with this decade?