Starmer rowing back on self ID - what do we think?

I'll only believe Labour when the likes of Rosie Duffield can go to conference again.
Starmer seems hell bent on snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.

MrsOvertonsWindow · Today 13:54

Bet it has the words "heat, light & kindness" in multiple times - none of them referring to women.

Also:

“the most marginalised”,

“ the debate”

“both sides”.

@LittleFingerStrength
"How did this come about?

I recall them banning 'The sun' and Hillsborough."

In general people in Liverpool don't buy the Sun because of the Hillsborough coverage. It wasn't a Council initiative.

I spotted this on twitter earlier. Apparently Labour are going to make a "major announcement" about.... ....what a woman is? which sex has a cervix? how drugs help men grow a cervix? they've remembered what a woman is? 😂

Bet it has the words "heat, light & kindness" in multiple times - none of them referring to women.

https://twitter.com/Aja02537920/status/1639936430620196870

It's irrelevant whether or not you think it helps or harms women.

If other people feel it is the best choice for women, even if it's the best of bad choices, they are making that choice because they think it is best for women.

They are not "pretending" to do it as you have suggested. They are not being disingenuous. It's not up to you to tell people their "real" motives nor are you in any position to do so.

You always avoid saying what choice you would make, only that you don't vote Tory or Labour. You always recommend that people think about other parties which are typically worse in terms of women's issues, or not running candidates in many areas. And you criticize those who spoil their ballots.

Which is probably because you don't actually live in England or Scotland or even Wales and so your options aren't the ones actually facing most people on the boards. So it's easy to pretend you would take some kind of high road and not be tarnished by actual politics.

Most others live in reality and are pretty tired of your continued misrepresentations of the actual political situation as it stands now.

Aren't you supposed to get an automatic ban if you get caught doing more than 30mph above the limit?

Agree completely. I live in london in a Tory borough and one of my siblings lives in a Labour borough. Mine is well run, well looked after, streets clean, no potholes, good services, good schools. Theirs is the exact opposite on all measures plus they piss everyone off with parking restrictions, ltn’s everywhere and fines / cameras for even driving down sone streets at certain times of day but where does all this revenue go? Not to fix the potholes anyway.

I agree.

It’s just irritating to be lectured at re: some supposed moral imperative to vote ‘Tories Out’ when you live somewhere that has never, ever had a Tory IN (and is still plagued with corruption and wasted public funds).

I'm not sure that Labour are generally any worse than the Tories. Both parties have had corruption scandals and their fair share of MPs who think the rules don't apply to them. The only difference with Labour is that they are more inclined to claim the moral high ground.

Andy Burnham literally just got fined for doing 78mph on a stretch of motorway that had been limited to 40mph

I know a speeding fine is a long way from actual corruption but this sort of thing chips away at what’s left of normal people’s respect for politicians.

https://news.sky.com/story/amp/andy-burnham-fined-and-given-six-penalty-points-for-speeding-on-m62-12842562

A story that includes Unite (London), Birmingham, Liverpool, Burnham, McCluskey, Labour, and a South Wales Police ongoing investigation:

Feb 2023
Union’s hotel hell: threats, controversy and a missing £30m

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/ebcaf980-a4a4-11ed-ab5a-a67b5932bebd?shareToken=ac9afd431043384ed4ac0226ffff8de2

Some background on the running of Liverpool:

Dec 2020
Anderson steps down as Liverpool mayor after arrest

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/a1b26a74-3b04-11eb-a4fe-454ae9b80c8b?shareToken=995b7615e637d619493c77f924eb2c77

"Joe Anderson will step aside as mayor of Liverpool after he was arrested last week on suspicion of conspiracy to commit bribery and witness intimidation.

The politician, 62, was questioned by Merseyside police on Friday as part of an investigation into building and development contracts in the city."

I don’t know much of the backstory of Liverpool but Manchester City Council is a shit show of rolling over and showing it’s belly to overseas property developers who build giant skyscrapers that no normie owner-occupier can get a sniff at due to ‘off plan sales’. It’s hard not to picture brown envelopes being exchanged round the back of the town hall when so many decisions are being made that hurt the residents of the city, destroy community assets and dampen the spirits that made it an interesting and appealing place to live. Live music venues, independent businesses and even Canal Street are in a constant fight for survival - there is very little profit in alcohol sales and it’s nigh on impossible to keep up with the ever increasing rents on city centre retail/hospitality units.

Other Greater Manchester councils/ Salford are more of a mixed bag but like Liverpool, the city council is so overwhelmingly red there is no opposition to anything and thus no functioning democratic process.

There have been previous attempts to pushback against the Labourborg but it’s an enormous task and easy to paint those who
object as secret Tories/right wing cranks (something that anyone vaguely terfy will already be familiar with).

I think the current Tory government are a shitshow but looking at Labour dominant areas such as Manchester, Liverpool and Wales leaves me with the genuine worry that a Labour-Starmer government will be an even bigger shitshow than a Sunek-Tory shitshow.

What we've seen from Posie's tour, especially Auckland, is the perfect example of a population having been gaslit. A literal joint campaign btwn their MSM, politicians and TRAs, to combine to so warp any concept of reality, that these demonstrators think they're hearing Posie say "Lock up the trans, disappear them, exterminate them!"
They LITERALLY think she's a Nazi, of course the comic ironic element being the toytown Nazis who did self-invite themselves.
So, just imagine this, a population so infantilised by lockdown, by the PC witterings of #BeKind and #BeYourself and #TWAW over so many years by wall to wall media and the political class, and a woman unafraid to speak her mind and allow others to do so, is viewed by thousands as an actual threat, an actual facist.
Every week I say that I'm down the rabbit hole with Alice and it can't get any deeper...but it does.

Are you referring to Lawrence Kenwright by any chance? He was one of those that benfitted from the in house deals and general corruption of Joe's administration - but then got upset when he perceived Joe as turning on him - by closing his homeless hostel and sending in Health and Safety to his James street restaurant. He has ruined so many good buildings, and 'rescued' others that should have been demolished.

Many of those councillors are also avowed 'anti tories' in the Liverpool tradition. Anything suggestive of commerce, or business or businesses making a profit sees them throwing a tantrum. They seem to believe a major city can sustain itself on community bakeries and credit unions. Small minded, insular and anti development; and incompetent and corrupted to boot.

Great article.

Brendan O’Neill has published at least three articles defending KJK in various publications over the last few days. I hope he can make room in his podcast schedule for her over the coming days too.
Previous chats between them have been well worth listening to.

The left are showing us just how linked gender ideology, hatred of women and violence go together.

No chance I want to follow, I hope more women are noticing thanks to LWS event in NZ

Powerful article in the Spectator:
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-shameful-persecution-of-posie-parker-in-new-zealand/

"It’s a genius initiative. She knows these gatherings of women who merely want to give voice to their profane belief that sex can never be changed will draw out crowds of intolerant trans activists and their allies. She knows the ‘Be Kind’ mob will do everything in its power to stop women from speaking. And she knows it will all brilliantly illustrate her core belief: that trans activism is misogyny in disguise, misogyny in drag, if you like, and that it has devoted itself to silencing women who believe in biology".

How did this come about?

I recall them banning 'The sun' and Hillsborough.

Liverpool is a shit show. Joe 'brown envelope' Anderson and his corrupt mates have had power way too long because Liverpool would vote anyone but tories in. They know it and could field a potato with a red rosette and get it elected. The mismanagement is off the scale.
Some things they did right, like not cutting sure start centres,
There is an independent party starting to make waves there though called Liberate Liverpool. The tories will never get Liverpool. The lib dems might, as they have before, but someone left-leaning and palatable needs to stand, I sense the general mood is people are sick of Labour but whether this indy group can grab the votes remains to be seen. Their is loads of tribal voting there.

What's happened at Liverpool Council is a great example of absolute power corrupting. Those in power did whatever they wanted, because they knew it didn't matter, the people of Liverpool will vote for them anyway.

The Labour party in Liverpool and its Labour run council are a corrupted and incompetent shower; so bad they are currently under government over-sight.

Gillian Keegan has been wisely winding her neck in on the issue because she knows it is not the way that policy is moving.

IIRC Boots lives in NI and has no experience of living in a staunchly Labour area that’s never had a non Labour MP and has never had anything but a Labour council and a Labour Mayor.

Voting Labour is not voting for change if you live in say, Liverpool or Manchester.