Labour ‘must fix its trans stance to win the next election’ - party needs to clarify its policies to be closer to the public’s views on the debate

I'm getting really frustrated. There are only two parties stand a chance to govern. One has a messed up mind which can't tell what's right v.s. wrong, whilst the other knows full well but has little to care but for themselves having no shame.

It's a hopeless future!

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You're right @LlynTegid , the Labour Party is very shit in so many other ways so much so I stopped voting for them about 10 years ago long before they picked up on TWAW.

Their current trans ethos is just the icing on a inedible identity politics cake.

I was brought up on a Guardian reading household and rarely read anything else up until I was about 40. I still consider myself centre left but I wouldn't vote for Labour/Lib Dem/Greens again.

I'm beginning to think the best we can hope for in the next GE is a hung parliament. That will give each party a chance to regroup, kick out the loons and start representing the electorate better in time for the next GE.

I’m not a ‘woman over 50’ (what is this category - the ‘scrap heap female’??) and I despise these craven cowards. Actually, a lot of them do not seem to be cowards but arrogant sadists who enjoy putting others in their place

You can feel the distaste as, once every GE cycle, Labour/the Greens/the LibDems are forced to deal with "women over 50". Shouldn't they have all just died on their last fuckable date? At the very least, they should just shut up and do the grunt work of envelope-stuffing, so that the Clever Young Men can focus on the important stuff.

The Tories have many faults (I have never voted Tory) but their party age profile and pragmatic approach to winning votes from any available source means they have always been less explicitly ageist. They know the value of the over 50s.

Walk the walk

clean house

discipline the weirdos targeting Rosie Duffield

then maybe I’ll take this change of heart seriously

It has identified middle-aged, suburban women as a target demographic

When they say women....

Yes, I've said I think they need to work out for themselves where they've gone wrong but here's a hint Labour: If you want to convince us you take women seriously then start by taking a long, hard look at some of your own representatives. I'll wait.

It was only a few weeks ago that Rosie Duffield was being abused by her own colleagues, and Starmer did nothing. How stupid does he think we are?

I'd love to know if they are still keeping their list of women who think bad thoughts.

I presume so, as Karen Ingala Smith wasn't allowed to join.

We have got to the silly place we are in today under a Tory government.

Yes and no.
The infiltration and institutional capture began decades ago, alongside powerful propaganda and social engineering.
The few who knew what’s up were branded dinosaurs, pearl-clutches etc and sneered at. Progressivism and extreme social liberalism became the new religion.

The Tories’ fault is that they shifted too much to the left on social issues and were underestimating the undercurrents until very recently.

Well, the Conservatives are in Government and we have Gillian Keegan who thinks trans women are women as Secretary of State for Education. Worryingly for women in the UK.

What @nilsmousehammer said.

I'm more bothered having a functioning state infrastructure than any other issue.

It's a start as far as I'm concerned, nothing more and nothing less. If they want my vote they've still got a long way to go and about 18 months to get there. I'll watch and I'll wait but I won't be lifting a finger to help them - they've got to work this out on their own.

Labour can try to backtrack all they like. They've already fallen for one batshit and downright dangerous ideology. They'll equally fall for another if their kids and SPADs get into it.

Labour and Starmer and untrustworthy. They also have many unpleasant MPs, was it Nandy who said something like ‘silly white girls need to shut up about rape gangs for the sake of diversity’. And the appalling refusal to stand up to defend the Batley teacher and abused woman in the Korangate scandal, in their constituencies.

won’t vote for them. Having said that my female Tory MP is also useless and I am not sure where she stands on the whole trans evil

We have got to the silly place we are in today under a Tory government.

We do need a change of government. This is not the only issue and we have had a number of years of very very poor government that has cost all of us an awful lot.

The only way to get a change of government is to vote Labour.

I can't say I am over enthusiastic at the idea, but as long as they don't bring in Self id in the next parliament, women can continue to fight and bring light to the situation.

I do hope that the ECHR do clarify the EA before the next election.

True, but elections aren’t won by the way “most people” vote. They’re won by a small number of swing voters, and people have very strong opinions on this issue, certainly enough to affect their ballot.
Having said that, there are other issues that equally elicit strong responses, so it depends how it ties in with those.

I cannot think of anything that Labour could possibly do to make me believe they wouldn't be straight back to pandering to gender ideologists the second they got into power no matter what they say now.

It will be only words & they have already said loud & clear that biological women can fuck right off if they won't help validate men who want to take what little used to belong to women (our language, our spaces, our jobs).

Their actions have been to destroy women, to hand womens jobs to men within their own party, to leave their own MPs unsupported while attacked for the crime of being genuinely female & standing up for the rights of females.

I think every single one of the corrupt lot would have to be thrown out of the party & a new lot of GC members who took action to protect the rights of women would need to take over for a few years before I would even consider a word they say.

any politician who says with a straight face that "a woman can have a penis" can't be expected to be believed on anything they say.

I don’t trust them on immigration - if they pander to the kind lefties were stuffed

Absolutely this, it’s certainly not the reason that I wouldn’t vote for them.

I see this a lot from Labour supporters I presume.

We’ll see. Looking at recent events gender ideology has a knack of landing results.

The whole NS mess was in sync with many on this forum.

When it comes to the next general election, regardless of the views of many on this forum, it will not be the reason why most people decide to vote or not vote.

Agree with other posters that there have been too many outrageous statements from Labour and that it will take a long time to rebuild trust. Not just Starmer and Rayner (‘my trans sisters’) but also Whittome, Sultana, Butler, Lammy, Allin-Khan, Thornberry and many, many more. Things that come to mind are a bunch of Labour MPs doing a silly dance with trans flags in Westminster, Eddie Izzard being seriously considered as candidate material, ‘dinosaurs’ Lammy thinking TW have a cervix etc. etc.

This is a serious political issue, with a global dimension, affecting everyone, and they’re not doing their homework while thinking we’re silly old ladies getting our knickers in a twist over nothing. I’ve done my homework, for years now, and I’m angry at being patronised. Even angrier than at ‘calm down dear’ David Cameron. They’ve finally realised that this is an important matter NOW, in March 2023? At least five years too late.

I’m not a ‘woman over 50’ (what is this category - the ‘scrap heap female’??) and I despise these craven cowards. Actually, a lot of them do not seem to be cowards but arrogant sadists who enjoy putting others in their place.