Do you think porn is going to get even more violent and men’s demand for so called ’kinky’ sex even stronger when hopefully women are getting braver to stay single?

That's interesting. I'm sure women do watch more compared to what they did in the past. And it can affect them, so it is a concern even if it's not as ubiquitous as with men.

I work in a library, and I would say that the primary source of erotica for women is books rather than film. Women want a story. There has for a long time been a huge amount of books that are essentially about women being swept away, overpowered, and so on, usually by very masculine, rich, not very nice men. But in the last while there has been a real upsurge in books that seem to be a lot more violent and on the edge, and are marketed as such.

Speaking also from personal experiences (I'm 34)
I can remember reading magazines when I was a teen - 13/14/15, things like J17 - how it was quite normal to fantasise about things like being raped and it didn't mean you actually wanted to be raped.
Tv and films have been presenting the notion of rough sex as norm more and more. And the very graphic nature of tv and film (shows such as game of thrones) would not have happened were it not for public acceptance of porn and how this has desensitised us, in my opinion. Same with the sorts of material we see on the news - very graphic and traumatising.

It's very difficult to know who watches porn - people tend to be more careful when making these types of searches and women especially may not be honest about what they watch.

I think, speaking of younger generations, you might be surprised that women are watching quite 'hard core' porn - comparatively to what older generations might watch. And I think that their brains are changing as a result - in terms of pleasure/ pain and actual physiological responses.

We know from a&e records that more and more young women are ending up in hospital due to injuries from rough sex.

Porn is addictive, for men and women.

The internet has brought us the best of things, but also the absolute worst of things. Porn and the surrounding industries of sex trafficking of women and children being one of the very worst.

Anyone here sorta wish the plug was just pulled?

I have recently discovered Jon Uhler on YouTube. He can speak with considerable authority on this and all of it is scary. He tracks landmark moments in society with what he then sees in his practice.

He asked a bunch of deviant sexual predators what they thought of 50 Shades. They think it wonderful as women are now grooming themselves!

Yes

It says women watch more violent porn than ever. That means more women watch violent porn than women did in the past not that they watch more violent porn than men. But its still concerning.

What else is left? Mutilation? Snuff porn?

Videodrome.

I think it will get worse regardless of what women do or don't do .

1. There is a systemic breakdown of boundaries going on at the moment.

1. After a while people become desensitised, it doesn't give you the same "kick" so they look for more,they ask for more and where there's a demand, there will be a product.

Yes, on one level, given that we've seen in recent years what's apparently a big rise in violent porn, this is likely to continue. But on the other hand, how can it get more violent? If already there is strangulation, there is physical violence? What else is left? Mutilation? Snuff porn?

Nowhere in that article does it define how much violent porn women are watching so it's a bit of a stretch to say "much of the demand" is from women

It might seem as if you have an agenda....

Sorry that was meant to be @Xant

But we aren't losing the ability to mate (at least not in the UK). The birth rate is at about 1.7/1.8 and has hovered around that mark for the past 40 years. It is below replacement level and that will cause issues. But it isn't anything like a population crash. Also about 80% of women have children - which is less than in the 50s but the 50s were unusual. The main reason for the declining birth rate is women having less children, not less women having children.

Compared to other parts of the world we are doing OK. And if overcrowding is an issue I think a gradual decrease and then stabilisation (which we have) is better than continued growth and a population crash.

Sorry - I know its off topic. But I've seen the "decadent west destroying itself" doomer narrative so many times and I don't think its accurate. China by contrast has probably the most heavily controlled population in the world and tight control over all propaganda - and they have been trying to persuade women to want children for years and failed miserably (Chinese women are the least likely to say they want children than anywhere else in the world).

I do not believe this for o e second. It's men

Men have always been violent, regardless of porn. I’m sure it doesn’t help but it’s irrelevant, what women need to do is stay away from relationships with men and give relationships with other women a good go. Ask any lesbian, they will tell you it is so much better than being beholden to a man.

It’s a known consequence of over-population.

Calhoun did some fascinating studies on mice with it. Given abundant resources and an apparent’utopia’ requiring no effort, the mice stopped mating normally and lost the social skills required to attract a mate and successfully reproduce.

Yes, but arguing the other side has anyone checked whether its also a feature of civilisations that don't collapse. Its easy to point to the fall off Rome (at least as seen by Gibbon) and then also see the decadence that accompanied it. But there was also lots of weird shit happening in Tudor England and a lot of decadence/social upheaval in the 18th century.

This isn't a trans people have always existed argument. But people acting in somewhat mad ways, new technologies resulting in societal upheaval etc etc has always existed. And comparing modern times to the fall of Rome has been a thing ever since the fall of Rome.

There is a lot to worry about - but I don't think the Visigoths are necessarily about to sweep down from the North and destroy all.

I actually think porn has got so minging that there will be huge demand for ‘sweet’ porn showing the kind of sex people actually enjoy. A lot of men read romance novels aimed at women, because they aren’t being catered to as a market…

@picklemewalnuts Camille Paglia says that gender bending is a feature or pretty much every collapsing civilization.

I've been thinking about this for a while. Decline and fall, ever increasing depravity, decadence and decay.
The whole of gender ideology puts me in mind of that scene of Nero (or was it Caligula?) dancing.

@Delphinium20 I think it absolutely is damaging men! (and boys). I think the impact on women/girls is concerning but there is at least a sort of history of Sometimes tortuous) discussion stemming from the feminist "porn wars" of old. Of course, on the whole sex "positivity" won and some of the stuff feminists were protesting looks almost quaint compared to now. But for men I think the discussion mostly centred around "oh look boobs" (maybe that's patronising, but there really doesn't seem to have been an equivalent level of discussion). At most there was an acknowledgement that feminists were eating themselves, or a perception that radical feminists hate men and male sexuality etc etc.

Now I think there is some thinking about the negative impacts on them. But its so hard to have any conversation because the well has been poisoned in advance by the line of "radical feminists hate men, if a woman criticises porn she is a radical feminist, therefore she hates men therefore she can be disregarded". At the same time and from the same channels there is a "feminists/women need to take responsibility for encouraging porn use through their promotion of sex positivity". So an extremely boring message is fighting against the dopamine hit of instant gratification AND of feeling very cross against another hit.

And this isn't all men - but its the message being heavily pushed online, especially Tiktok etc. Which is great for people that make money from porn and China so they won't stop.

The fringe has taken centre stage.

I have a lot of radical feminist ideals and acknowledge that men drive porn, but I can't help but see how young men are damaged by it. I am also old enough to have dated men whose only access to porn were hidden Playboys and an occasional stolen video shared on a VHS tape. Now it's porn 24-7 and I suspect the majority of young people aren't having the same kind of sex we older folks have. DH and I talked about this because we found some porn sent to our DD from boys in her school. We'd never seen that kind of violent sex before and we were both deeply disturbed. DH has seen more porn than I have (it's not our thing) so I assumed he'd be less shocked but apparently whatever he's viewed in his lifetime was "vanilla".

"Does no one make love anymore?" was our takeaway after some long discussions about today's porn.

A radical feminist whose name I can't remember said, 'Porn is men's campaign for sexual equality'.

If that's correct, as men continue to drop out of education, employment and family life, pornography will become yet more depraved and degrading.

It's also not just men porn is affecting.

There's an excellent charity called Fight the new drug, which has some great resources. Especially useful for parents with teens.