Do you think porn is going to get even more violent and men’s demand for so called ’kinky’ sex even stronger when hopefully women are getting braver to stay single?

@User135644

Let me guess: you are a porn-loving man...

Take your agenda somewhere else.

I think there will always be escalation. It's anyone's guess where that will end up in 5, 10, 50, 100 years...

100 years ago, swimming costumes were virtually full body, 1940s it was down to half, 1980 or so bikinis... now practically naked.

Same with acceptance of things like homosexuality. 40 years ago, not so hot, literally 10 years ago completely fine, and now trans is the norm.

Porn is the same... who knows where it will end up!

I suspect women are being told violent sex is normal, that's why. It isn't. Sex is to give pleasure in order to make pair bonds. Porn of any kind is abusive of women, if women are watching it they have imbibed the notion that women should like violent sex. They don't.

Looking at the bigger picture, porn or no porn there has always been an adversarial aspect to men’s approach to women when it comes to sex which does take much to tip over into misogyny and degradation. Porn just provides a template for that and normalises it
I think this is very true!
It's not men's fault that they are men, but I think men can become sexually deviant much more easily than women can.... Broadly speaking.
As a society we need effective ways to stop then from falling into these traps, and they must be ways which do not involve sacrificing the well-being of women 😡
(Not that I am suggesting that you were suggesting that women should be sacrificed to men @Palmfrond )

*does not take much

I grew up with the ladies undies section of the Argos/Bhs catalog as my primary source of erotic fantasy, but as I got older cane into contact with peers for whom it was porn, and they absolutely did things that I found mystifying, things that are now probably quite vanilla, but for me had no obvious connection with sexual pleasure. Didn’t understand it then, don’t understand it now.

Looking at the bigger picture, porn or no porn there has always been an adversarial aspect to men’s approach to women when it comes to sex which does take much to tip over into misogyny and degradation. Porn just provides a template for that and normalises it.

Never read the FSoG book or saw the film. I'd seen 9 1/2 Weeks years back and just ended up irritated with the Micky Rourke character - I remember a scene where he was thrashing the floor with his belt and demanding that Kim Basinger crawl around on all fours or something similar.

Never bothered with stuff involving er...kink ever since. It just struck me as ridiculous and I prefer stuff like the Blues Brothers if I'm going to go ridiculous.

The film was not a porn film. It was actors. People watch films about outlandish things all the time without it having a bearing on reality.

Or do you believe watching Mission Impossible could be responsible for responsible for a spate of men dying trying to fly helicopters through a tunnel?

I think we are too far gone to say it is a 'men only' problem. Perhaps it was once.
I don't think it's just a 'certain type' of porn problem either. Because where would you draw the line?

But the more extreme porn gets the more young women are likely to do things like only fans - eg. I'm 'only' doing solo stuff, I'm'only' doing live with a real boyfriend. It all suddenly seems much more tame.

And was turned into a porno that millions of women watched.

50 shades is a book
People read it and use their imagination. No real people were involved or harmed in the story line.

Honestly. It's a bit like saying that mem who read Dean Koontz want to be brutally murdered.

I agree with this. I think it's much more likely to be this than the education of women.

The insatiable demand for 50 shades came from Women.

That deep fake stuff is utterly grim. Not that the rest of it isn't. I sometimes think it will get to the point where we can no longer reproduce because the men have all wanked themselves to the point of erectile dysfunction before they realise how damaging this stuff is. And on my worst days I think that might be no bad thing. 😂

How informative that 'rough sex' does not mean heterosexual sex where the woman slaps or strangles the man. It doesn't even mean 'rough sex' where both participants (or all) treat each other roughly. It's about presumed female masochism and desire to be humiliated.

I read quite a bit about the effect of porn on young men. Some go to doctors for Viagra, because they cannot maintain an erection in real sex with a woman, but only while watching porn, and even then they need to see more and more extreme porn to get aroused. The medical jury is still out on how common this is, but some researchers express concerns and the NoFap sites have millions of members.

One researcher wondered if putting together only the extreme kinds of signals for arousal in one package might not be rather harmful, given that no real woman can possess all of those at the same time. It's a little like the possible ways concentrated corn syrup messes with our hunger centres so that the signal of being sated is not received. In other words, online porn is artificial, something that can never exist in real interactions where there are elbows and real human beings with their own concerns.

Porn is acting, and many women who act in porn find it soul-numbing and awful work, not something they enjoy. I have read that the average career length in that field is a few years.

That is we exactly what's happening. There are quite a few studies now which prove how porn alters the brain. The way in which the changes in stats on erectile dysfuction have coincided with the advent of the internet and then smart phones are very telling.

I posted this link at the weekend but it's worth posting again for anyone who is interested:

It's part of series of lectures delivered at a conference hosted by the Catholic Medical Association, they all worth watching and include two lecture by Gail Dines who is a bit of an expert on the porn industry. Her book Pornland is on my reading list.

There is a campaign in the states called Fight The New Drug which aims to tackle porn use in teenagers so perhaps there is some hope now we have knowledge.

and some people say "care in the community" is bad thing.

I think it's driven by the need to dominate men tend to be more dominant than women and society gives them greater licence to express their dominance.
Men see their power slipping away as women have access to higher paid jobs which means they do not have to be beholden to men, in response men reach for other ways to dominate and control women.

Men have always, ALWAYS policed women’s sexuality. Men even used to be able to put their wives in a mental institution if she claimed to have had an orgasm. This is just the latest way of them doing it since the sexual liberation movement.

I've known one or two blokes who were into anal sex with their partners (not receiving, the hypocrites!). They felt it was as if they totally possessed their partner in every way.

They happened to be homophobic but couldn't see the contradiction* when i put it to them.

*Disclaimer: I appreciate not all, and possibly not even the majority of gay male sex is about anal.

We know from a&e records that more and more young women are ending up in hospital due to injuries from rough sex.

Again, that says little about differences between women and men. Unless more and more young women are ending up in hospital due to rough lesbian sex.

Porn is mainly used by men. Therefore the content is targeted at men. Therefore I think the hypothesis that men are driving the rise in violent, degrading porn, and consequently expecting that kind of sex in real life is a much more likely explanation than women are doing it to themselves.

I link this study a lot. It is research into the increase in anal sex in heterosexual teens and found that girls have anal sex even though its painful and damaging to them.

bmjopen.bmj.com/content/4/8/e004996

"The main reasons given for young people having anal sex were that men wanted to copy what they saw in pornography, and that ‘it's tighter’. The implication was that ‘tighter’ was better for men and was something men were said to want, while women were expected to find anal sex painful, particularly the first time. The ‘pornography’ explanation seems partial at best, not least because young people only seemed to see this as motivating men, not women.......We found other important explanations and motivations in young people's accounts, as we will see below.Key themes emerged from our interviews that help explain why the practice continued despite narratives of women's reluctance, expectations of pain for women and apparent lack of pleasure for women and men: competition between men; the claim that ‘people must like it if they do it’ (alongside the seemingly contradictory expectation that it will be painful for women); and—crucially—normalisation of coercion and ‘accidental’ penetration."

Not all men are violent (except likely in a battle, and that is controlled violence) and most women want a relationship - and sex - with a man, not a woman. I lived through 'elective lesbianism' and it really did not work for most women any more than the feminist ideology that demanded women do the same things as men worked for most women (Germaine Greer agrees with me btw on that sort of feminist ideal and so, some extent, Kathleen Stock). Most of us want an intimate relationship with a loving man - and that is possible. To suggest we jettison that is pretty counterproductive. Unfortunately, the porn industry has been allowed to grow unchecked because of appeals to 'freedom of speech', when pornography has nothing to do with either freedom of speech or freedom of action - there, in the direction of the porn industry, is where we should direct our energies, not on suggesting that most women give up men.

Yes, absolutely, and I can’t see why it hasn’t been.

I recall sheila Jeffreys saying in 'Unpacking Queer Politics' that a lot of what ends up in heterosexual porn actually starts off in gay porn. That's most likley where the 'anal' started, for one.

@DemiColon I’ve spent time behind the library desk myself. Jon Uhler talks to Benjamin Boyce about that very notion - that blokes will get into whatever is put in front of them as a picture but that women will narrate the story they have just seen or read. If the story normalises sexual violence, then that is what women will absorb and thus accept in their relationships. All good for deviant sexual predators.