Tw in Cornton Vale segregated because of 'her' safety

Oops! Sorry about that. I'd best do a quick reset - there, back to insane lies again, situation normal!

Careful there @SinnerBoy talking facts and sense is not allowed where this ideology is concerned.

Here you go, sick bags at the ready:

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Harryetta - to no one’s surprise - seems to have a history of sex offending. In both of these reports Harryetta is described as a woman, and there is no photo to help realise precisely what that means:
www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/local-news/woman-appears-dumfries-sheriff-court-8566714

www.gallowaygazette.co.uk/news/woman-denies-sexual-act-2369123

GailBlancheViola · Today 14:09

It's really quite alarming just how high the proportion of trans identifying males within the prison system are either (a) violent (b) sexual offenders or (c) both. I wonder what the reason for that could be?

Male pattern violent and sex offending, combined with the whole paraphilia cluster thing?

Again, I wonder what the reason for this could be?

Misogynistic, controlling behaviour and again, male pattern violent and sex offending. At a rough guess.

It's obviously such a piss take isn't it?

Just shows how bad the risk assessment was.

Women were able to put up with a TW if he behaved OK and also they would get in trouble for being transphobic if they didn't.

Women were not prepared to put up with a paedophile - given the number of women in prison who would be quite happy to beat up a paedophile, he was now at serious risk.

TW should have been in the VP section of a male prison all along and would likely had no bother at all.

Exactly @JustWaking they’re the ones who insisted that TW be able to muscle their way into each & every single sex space for women and every woman who pointed out the flaws in this was called a bigot and a transphobe and ignored

so don’t start bloody bleating about the consequences of putting TW in womens prisons and how it makes the trans community look bad

we told you it would do that, we said repeatedly that you’re damaging your yen cause but you choose to tell us to fuck off so excuse me if I’m not bleeding sympathy

Looks like it. I looked at those "4/5 are murderers" articles the other day, but couldn't see what the 5th one was in for.

'Harryetta'🙄

Fucker couldn't even be arsed to come up with a proper name.

Valentine said much of the current framing presented trans people as predators, regardless of the caveats employed. “There’s only so many times you can say ‘we don’t want to associate trans people with sex offenders’ when you’re only having conversations about trans rights in the context of sex offending.

So change the narrative. Stop trying to muscle into women's single sex spaces - which forces us to point out why we need them!

Trans rights should be about supporting Trans people to live with no obstacles put in their way due to being Trans, and also ensuring that concerns specific to Trans people (such as suitable medical care) is appropriately supported (balanced with the needs of other groups in society, eg for limited NHS resources). But recognising that sex is immutable and transwomen remain men, regardless of gender identity or hormones/surgery.

There is a huge conversation to be had about when sex genuinely matters vs when it doesn't matter. Then we can dismantle left-over gender stereotypes so that Trans people aren't unnecessarily restricted (ie unless the boundary is necessary to protect other people, or give other people fair access). That would also benefit other non-gender-conforming people (wouldn't that be great!). Pretending that sex never matters isn't helpful.

ALSO: fix the problem of men's violence against women and girls and sexual offending! AFTER you (men) have achieved that, we (women) can stop mentioning that as a reason we need single sex spaces. (although we'll still need them for sport, dignity, and occasionally to redress sexist barriers women face).

I actually worry about this focus on rapists and male murderers in women's prisons. Whilst it's so outrageous that it does make people sit up and take notice, it too easily leads to the compromise that convicted rapists and male murderers should be excluded, but other men still allowed in. Given that less than 1% of rapes are convicted, I don't think that's anything like good enough. There should be no males in women's prisons, regardless of their crime, whilst VAWG still exists.

I'm fairly certain most lgb are worried about how many paedophiles are trying to get to women and children in their name. Not what the media is trying to portray as a mass pitchfork mob lumping all of them together....

Subtleties, Subtleties, nuances

Nail on head as ever @nilsmousehammer .

If ever proof were needed that women are dispensable, third class objects to be used, abused and their feelings and well being discarded at will here it is.

This is ALL about men and ALL FOR men.

I'd think this makes it fairly clear that the only risk assessment or concern is always for the man in the situation.

What happens to the women is a part no one is interested in.

Bang goes any hopes of finding that 'mild mannered accountant with a fraud conviction', then.

So is this person the fifth TW in the female estate in Scotland? (I nearly said "fifth man", which had echoes of the Cambridge spy ring.)

It's really quite alarming just how high the proportion of trans identifying males within the prison system are either (a) violent (b) sexual offenders or (c) both.

I wonder what the reason for that could be?

Also noteworthy just how many male supporters of trans ideology have a tendency to violence, threats of violence and how many males who are ardent supporters of trans ideology and mixed sexed spaces have ended up in prison for sexual offences.

Again, I wonder what the reason for this could be?

It's a real head scratcher.

Sometimes I wonder if the prison service (Scotland and everywhere else) are just pleased to be able to move some particularly difficult prisoners from the male estate to the female estate to make the jobs of male estate governors/wardens easier?

I know a few primary schools that are divided into infant and junior with separate leadership and separate budgets and obvs the challenges are really different.
So much of the infant resources are used up on learning independent toileting/basic behaviour/English as second language that SEN assessments often don’t take place until after the child moves onto the junior school.

I can imagine something similar happening in prisons, where the female estate is looked at as comparatively easier to manage, so sending a few murderers/rapists/paedos over just spreads the load a bit.

Obvs neither scenario is acceptable, but you can see how both could happen.

So much for the robust risk assessment.

Good question.

nilsmousehammer · Today 13:51#

Well done to the women prisoners who refused to soldier.

Yes, it seems as though they were about to re-enact Diana and Actaeon.

Quite.

We'll keep this man's crimes secret, so the women have no fucking idea who they're locked in with.

Oops, the cat's out the bag, we'd better remove him pronto.

The misogyny is off the bloody scale.

Well done to the women prisoners who refused to soldier.

I said this on a thread quite a while ago (before the whole Scottish debacle ].

Why would a male convicted of sex crimes, especially against children, who are notoriously badly treated in male prisons NOT become trans just to get moved to the women's prison ?