The Witch Trials of JK Rowling

I think it represents a particular interpretation of history in that most rights movements, for example women's suffrage, LGB rights, workers rights, are now declared to have been exclusive of non-white people, and were in fact colonialist endeavours, and so it's now necessary to actively include people of colour into the struggle for LGBTTIQQ2SA+ rights.

From one flag reboot to another, the coloured stripes are imbued with different meanings. For Quasar, the light blue, pink and white stripes represent trans and non-binary individuals and the brown and black ones represent marginalised People of Colour (POC) communities. The black stripe has a double meaning as it is also intended for "those living with AIDS and the stigma and prejudice surrounding them, and those who have been lost to the disease".

There was no way I could manage anymore of Counterpoint’s nasal pseudo intellectual droning after the podcast, and the Throne thing in the video did not help, so I have only read these tweets.

But…

Is Counterpoint really saying that the Brown and Black chevrons are for people of colour? (Is that the right term? I read poc so assumed it meant people of colour as otherwise the sentences would not make sense).

But…

Why would … any person who is not LGB need to be «on the flag»? I know T and A and Q have been slapped on there, but surely having more or less melanine in your skin has nothing to do with any of that?

What is CP on about?

Allegedly terfs are aligned with religious people and yet the righteous social justice anti JKR people are doing exactly what the religious groups did to her!
Oh definitely. There's a strong correlation of trans activist behaviour with the religious right: the belief and enforcement of gender stereotyping, the painting of dissenting views as 'evil' who must not be listened to, the book burning, witch hunting etc.
I was at the Woman's Place meeting in Bristol last year. The subject was pregnancy and childbirth (don't recall the exact title) and it came on the same day that it was announced Roe v Wade was being struck down.
In the US, that meeting might have been protested by Pro Lifers. Here it was trans activists who decided we had to be shouted at and demonised for going to a reproductive rights meeting.
I don't really see much of a difference between them at this point tbh. The belief system may be structured differently, but it's still the same patriarchal structure with male people at the top and female at the bottom, focused on policing women's bodies and rights, and enforced with the same kind of evangelical zeal.

Can’t figure out if Wynn is pretending not to know that Maya Forstater’s ‘Gender Critical Beliefs’ are now actually defined in law, or if Wynn genuinely doesn’t know?

As Wynn appears to be claiming that Maya Forstater’s beliefs have not been clearly defined by Maya, or by anyone else, here they are, as written on the government’s website, for Wynn and for anyone else who seems to be a bit confused

“sex is biological and immutable, people cannot change their sex and sex is distinct from gender-identity”

So no, Maya is not hiding the ‘men cannot turn into women’ bit behind ‘sex is real’ as a Motte and Bailey debate tactic.

Humans cannot change sex. Men cannot become women - that’s not a ‘Bailey’, no one is hiding the ‘humans can’t change sex’ bit behind something less controversial.

It shouldn’t actually be controversial to say an adult human male cannot become an adult human female.

also, Natalie, mate, when terves use screen names like ‘Large Gamete Haver’ they are taking the piss out of transactivism’s torturous language, sorry that our pisstaking either wooshes over your head, or that you have to pretend not to understand it’s a piss take in order to construct your own gender-unspecified strawperson (they/them) argument.

And no ‘transgender’ and ‘cisgender’ are not useful terms when talking about talking about biological sex.

I’ve watched the first 20 minutes (well, listened while doing other stuff) and it’s giving me secondhand embarrassment.

Heterosexual male who identifies as a lesbian appropriating the history of gay rights in the US and using it to leverage talking about [pronoun] own sexual interests?

Wynn has slipped well behind the zeitgeist!

It’s like watching your dad singing Sam Smith at a 3/4 empty karaoke bar.

Super cringe.

Contrapoints puts more thought into the outfit changes than the attempts at critique 🥱

The overlong videos are increasingly an opportunity to indulge in cosplay rather than to make useful social commentary.

Ah, nae bother, @McSweeney - Nauticant and Hepwo have saved you from the chore of actually listening to and then synopsising the video you posted.

Here’s screenshots of Hep’s link for the lazy:

I rather like the cut of this Rudy chap’s jib, he seems a far more informative and entertaining source for a male opinion on LGB & sex based rights matters than N. Wynn, anyway!

That's excellent, Hepwo!

There is a great review on twitter you may enjoy.
@ShireWifeofNigelFarage

https://twitter.com/theneonrequiem/status/1648165886581145607

I'll have a go at providing a summary:

Unless it's a radical departure from Contrapoints normal output it'll be meretricious shit with very pedestrian or misleading points presented amongst a blizzard of flummery/visual tricks/shiny stuff.

Can you summarise? That video is almost two hours long and we already heard Wynn’s opinions over several episodes of the podcast!

(I see it’s not going down very well on Vaush’s subreddit…)

Can't just let women speak about it without someone shoving a man to tell us how we need to think. So fucking bored of men.

just going to leave this here for anyone interested in the other side of the debate….

What the podcasts identified is that the current JKR hatred movement is identical to the evangelical religious hate movement against her a couple of decades ago.

This to me was the whole point - and what I gathered from the title, which it seems many people don't (or don't want to). Plenty of people (even Evan Davies) have taken it as a chance say she's 'claiming victimhood' which of course is not the case at all. Like the essay, it's an easy way of identifying who's criticising without listening.

Allegedly terfs are aligned with religious people and yet the righteous social justice anti JKR people are doing exactly what the religious groups did to her!

Indeed - it's not the people on this board who share book burning with the Nazis, despite that slur being thrown around in our direction.

What the podcasts identified is that the current JKR hatred movement is identical to the evangelical religious hate movement against her a couple of decades ago.

Allegedly terfs are aligned with religious people and yet the righteous social justice anti JKR people are doing exactly what the religious groups did to her!

There's been multiple witch trials of JK Rowling, this is just the latest. Both groups have branded her as evil. Both consider her a villain. Both have insisted on bans and vilification.

She does consider the current trans movement dangerous in it's authoritarianism. The evidence of this is all over as we know and comes directly from the insistence that we must all believe TWAW.

Thanks

Been reading Megan Phelps-Roper's autobiography "Unfollow" (which is on a 99p special deal at Amazon for anyone who's interested!) and she is a remarkable person with a remarkable story. And yes I can really see why JKR chose her. Maybe Evan Davis didn't realise that as well as being highly tuned to ethical issues she's been managing hostile media interest since she was 11

I liked the Sam Harris podcast, not not enough to pay for the rest of it! It's good he has come out in on JKR's side.
Evan Davis is awful.

I’m listening to the interview with Phelps-Roper now and rolling my eyes at ED describing his coverage of this issue as calm and measured in covering both sides of the debate 🙄

I enjoyed listening to Megan Phelps-Roper run rings round Evan Davis.

@ShireWifeofNigelFarage I have just finished watching that documentary you suggested. Jesus Christ. Some serious eye bleaching needed. Everyone needs to watch it!

Evan's interview with Megan wasn't too terrible, considering... At least the podcast series got a shout-out!

I feel my hackles rising at the very mention of ED.

But I will listen. Thanks for the heads-up.

^ Evan Davis.