Please or to access all these features

Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

The Hannah Barnes book

286 replies

RoyalCorgi · 14/02/2023 12:37

There have been discussions about the book on different threads relating to various interviews with Barnes or pieces about the book. Thought it would be useful to bring everything on to one thread.

This review by Sarah Ditum is excellent and very moving:

unherd.com/2023/02/the-tragedy-of-becoming-a-woman/

Another good one from Suzanne Moore:

suzannemoore.substack.com/p/a-review-of-time-to-think-the-book

OP posts:
Thread gallery
14
HandShoe · 06/03/2023 10:21

Not available from my local Waterstones (which is a good sized one with plenty of pro-Trans books on display). And nor is 'Hags' or 'Material Girls'. Apparently they do have the Helen Joyce 'Trans' book in stock (which they didn't when it came out as I went in there to buy it back then) but I didn't see it when I was looking for 'Hags' at the weekend so well hidden.

ArabellaScott · 06/03/2023 10:20

There are about eight Waterstones stores in and around Glasgow.

Not a one has a copy.

The Hannah Barnes book
tinkerella1 · 06/03/2023 10:19

I think Waterstones press department need to respond as to why so many people can’t get it from their shops. It’s crazy that it’s not automatically stocked. They know from preorders how popular it is. It’s a form of information suppression by deliberately not stocking it. I’ll be having a look in my local branch but not holding my breath as I’ve never seen Kathleen Stock, Helen Joyce or Julie Bindel.
Are they institutionally sexist?

ArabellaScott · 06/03/2023 10:17

Hm. You can get it at Stirling or Perth, but absolutely no Waterstones in Glasgow? Does seem a bit odd.

Needmoresleep · 06/03/2023 10:13

Not available for click and collect in my local Waterstones either.

Also not on their list of recommended new books, unless you scroll deep into best new non-fiction.

ResisterRex · 06/03/2023 10:08

Sounds like there's a story worth following up around Waterstone's. Are they suppressing this book or not?

Xiaoxiong · 06/03/2023 10:03

I'm also having trouble getting it from Waterstones. I went in on the day of publication so, I guess, a week and a half ago? And the guy behind the till said "oh it was only published today, come back in a few days" as I eyeballed piles of "preorder" books dotted around the shop. When I went back two days later a different guy (with much huffing and sighing?) told me they were sold out, nothing in the warehouse and not arriving anytime soon and I couldn't even order into the shop.

I tried again at a big Waterstones in another town this weekend, and they said the same - nothing on the shelves, nothing in the warehouse but they could see that there were two copies in the Waterstones branches in Trafalgar Square and Kensington High Street and that was it. She also couldn't order it in for me. I pointed out it had been Observer Book of the Week, Sunday Times bestseller etc but she had no answer for me why there were piles and piles of other books being promoted and she couldn't even order me this one into the store.

I know at this point I should just buy it from Amazon or another shop but I feel like I need to make a point here to indicate to the people on the shop floor that there's a problem here, if they can't even order in a Sunday Times bestseller.

fabricstash · 05/03/2023 22:04

AmuseBish · 05/03/2023 19:11

If you go to Waterstones' website you can check 'click and collect' to see if it's available in your local store. Putting in "bristol" shows that the nearest ones in store are Hereford, Salisbury and Bridport. So may well be sold out. Manchester doesn't have any either.

Yes but I asked can I order it in from online/ another branch and they said it was sold out completely and actually said try another retailer!

rioseco · 05/03/2023 21:49

Interesting that my copy was on the politics shelf in the bookshop...

TheBiologyStupid · 05/03/2023 19:44

RoyalCorgi · 05/03/2023 18:26

Did anybody else read Hadley Freeman's piece in the Sunday Times today? Not only has Hannah Barnes's book got into the bestsellers list (as mentioned above), but Munroe Bergdorf's book, which was apparently the subject of a bidding war, has reached the dizzy heights of 2,838 in the Amazon charts.

I find it fascinating that publishers, who we are constantly told operate to tight margins, and who you'd assume would be focused on publishing books that people want to buy, are instead turning down books like Barnes's, and Kathleen Stock's and Helen Joyce's, and instead spending a six-figure sum (apparently) on a memoir by a person literally no one is interested in.

Yes, that was a good article by Hadley. And Bergdorf's piece was promoted by a sympathetic piece in The Guardian (of course...), too.

ArabellaScott · 05/03/2023 19:19

don't seem to be any available in Glasgow.

AmuseBish · 05/03/2023 19:11

If you go to Waterstones' website you can check 'click and collect' to see if it's available in your local store. Putting in "bristol" shows that the nearest ones in store are Hereford, Salisbury and Bridport. So may well be sold out. Manchester doesn't have any either.

ArabellaScott · 05/03/2023 18:48

Is that only a Scottish campaign? I thought it was UK wide!

WarriorN · 05/03/2023 18:30

I think sex matters should do a similar campaign as trans and send one to every MP.

And school.

As SOS are doing in Scotland

RoyalCorgi · 05/03/2023 18:26

Did anybody else read Hadley Freeman's piece in the Sunday Times today? Not only has Hannah Barnes's book got into the bestsellers list (as mentioned above), but Munroe Bergdorf's book, which was apparently the subject of a bidding war, has reached the dizzy heights of 2,838 in the Amazon charts.

I find it fascinating that publishers, who we are constantly told operate to tight margins, and who you'd assume would be focused on publishing books that people want to buy, are instead turning down books like Barnes's, and Kathleen Stock's and Helen Joyce's, and instead spending a six-figure sum (apparently) on a memoir by a person literally no one is interested in.

OP posts:
ArabellaScott · 05/03/2023 17:21

Be curious to see whether publishers will continue to throw vast sums of money at authors who produce flag-draped books that nobody is interested in reading, or whether they will decide that the books they're so afraid to publish that are doing so bloody well might actually have been worth taking a punt on, after all.

ArabellaScott · 05/03/2023 17:19

Sunday Times bestseller: twitter.com/hannahsbee/status/1632279726482915328

ArabellaScott · 05/03/2023 17:18

Taht's Amazon non-fiction, to be precise.

ArabellaScott · 05/03/2023 17:18

#16 on the Amazon chart.

Seems to be doing really well.

www.amazon.co.uk/charts/2023-02-26/mostsold/nonfiction/ref=dp_chrtbg_dbs_1

fabricstash · 05/03/2023 17:17

I was weighing up buying on kindle but I have a feeling friends might want a read

BettyFilous · 05/03/2023 17:15

I looked in the big Waterstones in my nearby woke university town last weekend, nowhere to be seen. I was going to order it on my kindle instead but, after news last week of Amazon updating people’s Dahl books on their kindles, I’ve decided to buy a hard copy.

fabricstash · 05/03/2023 17:06

Sausagenbacon · 05/03/2023 17:00

Which bristol waterstones, fabric? I'll go in next week

One in the galleries. I have ordered it from Foyles now. Waterstones staff are so misguided deciding what people can read

Sausagenbacon · 05/03/2023 17:00

Which bristol waterstones, fabric? I'll go in next week

Rubidium · 05/03/2023 16:44

In town this afternoon my local Waterstones had a copy of Hannah Barnes’ book prominently placed in the new non-fiction section at the front of the store. Conversely, in Blackwell’s it was nowhere to be found. They had a big display of ‘queer’ books (Grace Lavery, Torrey Peters, Bergdorf & co.) though.

Swipe left for the next trending thread