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The Hannah Barnes book

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RoyalCorgi · 14/02/2023 12:37

There have been discussions about the book on different threads relating to various interviews with Barnes or pieces about the book. Thought it would be useful to bring everything on to one thread.

This review by Sarah Ditum is excellent and very moving:

unherd.com/2023/02/the-tragedy-of-becoming-a-woman/

Another good one from Suzanne Moore:

suzannemoore.substack.com/p/a-review-of-time-to-think-the-book

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Needmoresleep · 28/04/2023 19:47

Hmmm, so the LSE event is hybrid: both in person and on line. You need to register for the on-line. They also suggest that it will be streamed live on YouTube.

The in-person will not be ticketed. They suggest that they don’t ticket in person events where they don’t expect much demand, but to check back later to see if arrangements change. My assumption is that they will discover that the event is contentious, because obviously a critique of an NHS service that might be harming children is contentious, and switch to on-line only, because they don’t have the security to handle a problem audience.

Its fine. They will advertise it worldwide via their alumni and other networks. It is free to register for the online version. It will be on YouTube under the LSE brand and available as a resource.

MavisMcMinty · 28/04/2023 18:26

Oh gawd, bet the protestors will be out in intimidating belligerent force for those.

yetanotherusernameAgain · 28/04/2023 16:58

If anyone is in London, Hannah Barnes is doing a couple of talks in May, hosted by universities: LSE on 23rd, and UCL on 25th. Both are open to the public but spaces are limited and you need to register. Details on her Twitter feed.

https://twitter.com/hannahsbee?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor

https://twitter.com/hannahsbee?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor

howdoesatoastermaketoast · 24/04/2023 09:32

ValancyRedfern · 14/02/2023 22:11

That final sentence of Sarah Ditum's piece says it all for me:

'The tragedy of a misogynistic world is that it makes girls believe they need a cure for femaleness. The scandal of GIDS is that it pretended it could supply one.'

gosh that's one to remember thanks

fabricstash · 23/04/2023 10:20

WPATH - Damage limitation strategy. www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4790976-wpath-damage-limitation-strategy

fabricstash · 23/04/2023 10:20

Marci Bowers now doubling down?

Dryfield · 23/04/2023 09:32

I listened to Hannah's podcast interview with Chris Williamson on Modern Wisdom. I thought it was excellent.

Genesis1v27 · 06/04/2023 20:52

New podcast interview with Hannah Barnes:

https://sites.libsyn.com/115004/611-hannah-barnes

WarriorN · 28/03/2023 07:07

The Anderson image upthread is extremely useful to shoot down twats who proclaim the book is biased and transphobic.

Thanks @fabricstash

Xiaoxiong · 27/03/2023 19:11

And yes to the MB book with the shelf blurb. I read a bit of it waiting for DH and i feel very sorry for MB but I don't care how tough growing up as a camp mixed race gay boy is - it doesn't make MB female or a woman.

Xiaoxiong · 27/03/2023 19:08

No copies in Windsor again and no click and collect possible. 3 copies "on order but can't say when they'll arrive"

Sausagenbacon · 27/03/2023 13:56

same in Clifton Waterstones today

TheBiologyStupid · 26/03/2023 00:17

There was one copy in the New Releases section at Waterstones in Hitchin, Herts, yesterday - next to Monroe Bergdorf's new book. Guess which one had a shelf-edge blurb advertising it though...😡

TheBiologyStupid · 20/03/2023 15:42

Time to Think is available in the US in the Kindle edition.

CryptoFascistMadameCholet · 20/03/2023 15:34

I suppose Time to Think might seem a bit too niche to a US publisher (as it’s about a
single NHS clinic)?
Perhaps Hannah will get a US distribution deal even if no US publisher? IIRC that was the middle ground that Helen Joyce’s Trans ended up with?

TheBiologyStupid · 20/03/2023 14:12

I think on a podcast I heard Hannah Barnes say she had not found a US publisher

It was on Jesse Singal's Blocked and Reported.

fabricstash · 20/03/2023 06:29

WarriorN · 20/03/2023 05:23

Wow.

Though I imagine Erica is being dismissed these days as a turn coat?

That's seismic.

Is Erica still part of WPATH?

She left WPATH and is considered a turncoat/ gatekeeper but she still has a huge outreach in America. I think on a podcast I heard Hannah Barnes say she had not found a US publisher

SinnerBoy · 20/03/2023 05:40

ArabellaScott · 14/03/2023 12:34

Well, Waterstones is a private company. They can choose not to stock any book if they wish, whether it's a bestseller or not.

Yes, quite. Perhaps they shouldn't be selling hate-filled books. Not when they have such peaceful tomes as this, a snip at £25.00:

www.waterstones.com/book/mein-kampf/adolf-hitler/9780712652544#:~:text=Mein%20Kampf%20%2D%20My%20Struggle%20by%20Adolf%20Hitler%2C%20Rudolf%20Hess%20%7C%20Waterstones

WarriorN · 20/03/2023 05:30

Unfortunately I've not been about to read it - post covid brain fog and a new fur baby.

Have no qualms buying on audible too though. Awesome woman

WarriorN · 20/03/2023 05:25

It might have been interesting to know something more about the background of ideology etc - I completely get why the author decided to keep things very focussed but occasionally you do sit back from the book and just think "How could intelligent and well-meaning adults end up in this space?"

Trans by Joyce being the reading companion?

Helen must be ready to write part two by now.

WarriorN · 20/03/2023 05:23

Wow.

Though I imagine Erica is being dismissed these days as a turn coat?

That's seismic.

Is Erica still part of WPATH?

fabricstash · 19/03/2023 19:30

Your not the only one to finish it!

The Hannah Barnes book
HPFA · 19/03/2023 18:55

Finished the book yesterday - obtained from my local library which has a long waiting list.

Anyone thinking it is transphobic is off their trolley - it's scrupulously fair, features trans people who are happy with the treatment they received and most of the clinicians interviewed aren't even completely against the use of puberty blockers.

The people who come off worst from it are Mermaids and Gendered Intelligence who just come over as utterly malign.

It might have been interesting to know something more about the background of ideology etc - I completely get why the author decided to keep things very focussed but occasionally you do sit back from the book and just think "How could intelligent and well-meaning adults end up in this space?"

Bellaisoneluckywoman · 19/03/2023 17:47

No copies in Chesham Waterstones today. No copies of HAGS either, interestingly.....

FrancescaContini · 19/03/2023 15:43

Igneococcus · 19/03/2023 06:56

Article in the Times today "No one kept data on Tavistock children — it’s a monumental scandal":

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/094d3696-c587-11ed-bd5d-fb821bb192f5?shareToken=2f2adddd1de1792ea79c7fd381381185

Thank you for the link. In his words: “A monumental scandal”.