The Hannah Barnes book

@Whatwouldscullydo Agree with you especially about this notion that puberty is “traumatic”. Is it? For whom? I’d never heard this until a couple of years ago.

It sounds like yet another fabricated problem to enable some people to be endless victims.

I think what I find simultaneously disturbing and fascinating with all this is that with anything and everything else suspicion is always present. Whatever your opinions of the people involved when it comes to everything from vaccinations to medical treatments etc there are always so many people skeptical and so many people so convinced of the dishonesty and pure money making reasons why these things are available and will go so far as to not vaccinate their children or refuse medical treatment.

But when it comes to this so many people are just so convinced that this is what children need and there's no question of that no matter how awful the side effects or end results are. Yet of all the medical money making schemes this has to be up there. I mean you take drugs meant for short term use in say precocious puberty and create a need to take them for so much longer with a garuntee they will go onto more medication that they will take for a.life time. It should create more suspicion than it does.

One thing I did notice in the Sarah ditum review is that she's almost playing into the trauma a bit too. I'm not saying puberty isn't ever traumatic . That its a breeze and everyone's worrying about nothing. Of course its not like that. But I am curious as to the exact moment it stopped just being some thing everyone went through and got on with to something parents completely buy into and validate that their kids will be almost suicidal experiencing. How much is real and how much have we inadvertently created by being afraid of our kids growing up. And by insisting that everyone learns everything together at school because " equality " without realising that by removing the opportunity to discuss amongst your own that many questions will go un asked.

I know social media and the Internet has a large part to play so maybe it wasn't such a good idea to create situations where kids will have no choice but to go online because our kids are effectively being used as experiments where segregation at any point even for this one lesson is seen as offensive or unfair etc. Kids aren't any less in need of that space today than they were decades ago.

Why are we encouraging and creating the need for this constant attachment to the very technology thats causing our children so much pain and suffering. What did we think would happen with 1500 11-16 year olds together in one place armed with a device that could have them online in a split second?

Why are we failing to admit this is a problem amd instead continue to double down and pretend the result isnt an issue.

It was only a matter of time til someone jumped into this "opportunity " we created. Its supply and demand at the end of the day isn't it? The world of medicine is full of obscure /alternative/controversial clinics/practices etc gender would never be any different.

I know there have always been similar groups in schools. The cutters , the anorexics and bulimics etc but this explosion in mental health issues is something that should be raising alarm bells. Not having everyone around the child affirm that they are normal and its everyone else around them thats the crazy one.

I'm not saying mental health issues arent real at all dont take that from this. But I went to school/college and friends with and have worked with people who have been through all sorts of horrific things and have not and do not suffer from anything. I cant help but wonder if today we are teaching this generation how to be a victim and effectively also creating many if the issues that are being treated. I do have questions about the world of therapists etc too. Like with medication and affirming this gender stuff. Where is the incentive to really cure it or provide a definitive solution to it when you make your money from these people coming back for more and more. Anti depressants must also be a huge industry.

The scariest thing for me is the incestuous nature of it all. Round and round amongst the same people and places we all go. Theres no way to break free of it all.

I am planning on discussing this book with the slt at my school (they already know my views) which article do you think is the best 'beginners guides to share with them?

Note how quickly the Health Secretary is to confirm that he does not support this.

Ministers have got the message but it is clearly a huge task to turn round a captured NHS.

😊 thanks!

Done

Daily Mail: EXCLUSIVE: Treat all patients as gender neutral, NHS doctors told: Health Secretary's anger at taxpayer-funded guide that tells medics not to use pronouns until patient has confirmed them www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4745330-daily-mail-exclusive-treat-all-patients-as-gender-neutral-nhs-doctors-told-health-secretarys-anger-at-taxpayer-funded-guide-that-tells-medics-not-to-use-pronouns-until-patient-has-confirmed-them

@ResisterRex This deserves a link of its own. Atrocious waste of NHS money and time.

Not to derail, but the emergence of this "guide" by Dr Michael Brady (previously discussed on FWR I'm sure) seems worth keeping an eye on too. Just as there's supposedly more scrutiny on GIDS, so it seems the idea of innate gender identity is being rolled out wherever it can be made to happen:

www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-11763743/Barclay-orders-urgent-investigation-woke-NHS-guidelines-telling-staff-not-use-she.html

I can't copy much, app will only allow one para at a time.

Basically there seems to be optimism that the new centres will have a multi treatment approach with affirmation being seen as not the primary approach.

I suppose taking the long view, services that can smash the diagnostic overshadowing would mean that over time the narrative changes.

If they go too quickly they risk everyone debunking off to gender Gp. They need to work with parents and slowly unpick the capture.

Just found a new piece by Hannah buried on the bbc app after a shape shifting robot

Tavistock children's gender clinic closure leaves uncertain future www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-64683917

Thank you for continued links; where people I know won't be reading the whole the book these are useful.

Also by Hannah Barnes for the Daily Mail:

'My son was never trans - instead he had severe OCD': Mother reveals she was 'let down' by those who were meant to help during her son's harrowing experience with the Tavistock clinic

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11765183/Mother-says-let-meant-help-sons-experience-Tavistock-clinic.html

Adapted from the book.

'I was sold a lie that puberty-blockers were the answer to all my worries': Devastating new book reveals plight of hundreds of child patients at Tavistock gender clinic who feel betrayed by the NHS after being put on powerful hormonal drugs
By Hannah Barnes

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11764509/Devastating-new-book-reveals-plight-hundreds-child-patients-Tavistock-gender-clinic.html

Just pre-ordered on my Kindle.

Thanks for all the postings. This is the go to place to know what is what.

New Statesman:
www.newstatesman.com/encounter/2023/02/hannah-barnes-inside-collapse-tavistock-gender-clinic-lgbtq-transgender-nhs

Allison Pearson in the Telegraph:

Why was the Tavistock experiment allowed to go on for so long?

www.telegraph.co.uk/columnists/2023/02/15/why-tavistock-experiment-allowed-go-long/

From the article:

"Tavistock clinicians appear to have been under pressure to “affirm” a child’s new gender identity. So it was no surprise when the NHS announced last July that Gids would be shut down. Goodbye and good riddance.
But how the hell was that unevidenced experiment on barely formed young adults allowed to go on for so long? It owed more to Mengele than medical ethics.
The answers – and they are beyond shocking – come in a new book, Time to Think: The Inside Story of the Collapse of the Tavistock’s Gender Service for Childrenn_ by Hannah Barnes, a Newsnight journalist who interviewed people who worked at Gids, governors at the Trust, and children and their parents who used the service.
“Incredibly complex children” were referred for puberty blockers after just one face-to-face meeting, without any wider assessment of their mental and physical health or family problems. Alarm bells should have rung when more than a third of young people referred to Gids had moderate to severe autistic traitss_, compared with fewer than 2 per cent of children in the general population.
But, it turns out, the clinic had a vested interest in muffling any alarm bells. Concerns about the long-term safety of more than 1,000 under-16s who had been referred for puberty blockers were ignored to keep a “gold dust” NHS contract."

A review in The Irish Independent:

‘Tavistock clinic had flaws but it was a lifeline to my trans daughter’

archive link

Oh. I wonder why?

Great thread - thank you. I’m going to buy this book.

Larissa Thanks

In a private talk given last June, before the closure of the English clinic was announced, the consultant clinical psychologist claimed that it was “reassuring” that the Sandyford was not “working in a wildly different way” to the Tavistock."

That is not reassuring based on Barnes' research.

And the key point is that the Dutch protocol was not used on children with all these other additional issues.

she admitted work was ongoing to find “a robust evidence base for the treatment that we offer”.

None of us here have found it yet

Just Googled. It appears that the Guardian has yet to review.

Nicola Sturgeon told to stop ignoring trans children care scandal

Concerns about puberty blocker referrals at London clinic have not been followed up in Scotland, warns whistleblower

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/02/14/nicola-sturgeon-told-stop-ignoring-trans-children-care-scandal/

Part of the article:

"David Bell, a former senior psychiatrist at the Tavistock, who became a whistleblower over its Gender Identity Development Service (GID), repeated his call for Sandyford to be closed.
"It's clear that the Sandyford is still using the same model that formed the basis of GIDs,” he said. “The research basis that informed the Dutch protocol has been entirely discredited.
"The Cass reportt_ [on gender services in England which, led to the Tavistock's closure] is not a report on the Tavistock, it's a report on gender services for children and young people. And it's the biggest report on these services that has ever been undertaken, worldwide.
"So it's bizarre not to take its findings very seriously, to say this somehow doesn't apply to Scottish children. By saying that, you're in effect saying that you're content for Scottish children to continue to be damaged by being given the wrong treatment."
In a leaked recording, obtained by The Telegraph last yearr_, a senior Sandyford clinician revealed that the Scottish clinic viewed the Dutch protocol as the “example of best practice”. However, she admitted work was ongoing to find “a robust evidence base for the treatment that we offer”.
In a private talk given last June, before the closure of the English clinic was announced, the consultant clinical psychologist claimed that it was “reassuring” that the Sandyford was not “working in a wildly different way” to the Tavistock."

Sarah Vine

www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-11751013/SARAH-VINE-Tavistock-scandal-shows-happens-debate-stifled.html